lets talk HK416

[trinydex]

I'm probably wrong, but I once heard that's just essentially the same as the POF upper.

it's not. there are many key differences. the pof upper requires some tall rails which is awkward apparently. it also uses a different piston philosophy than the hk416.

[trinydex]

If we could use SBRs the HK uppers really are good.

LWRC is pretty damned close, too.

If you have $5k burning a hole in your pocket, go ahead.

There are members of this board who have them, too. I've seen a couple.

i hear the l-dubs are actually available these days...

[CHS]

I agree that it's way overpriced but people laughing at you for owning one? Do you laugh at a guy driving a Lambo? Yes you can buy a car lot full of Civic's for the price of one. But it's a prestige thing to those who can afford it. The guy who can afford $6k for an upper laughs as he wipes his butt with $100 bills.

It's not a prestige thing because the people that can buy them are STILL paying 4-5X the cost of a 416 because HK is denying civilian sales.

It's like saying I have a honda civic and an HK civic. They're roughly the same car, but just because I can't get the HK civic, I'm going to pay 5 times more for one. Meanwhile, the guy actually driving the Lambo is laughing at BOTH the civic drivers.

HK 416 is NOT a Lamborghini. It's not even in the same league. It's just a regular gas-piston upper that you can't get.

[a1fabweld]

It's not a prestige thing because the people that can buy them are STILL paying 4-5X the cost of a 416 because HK is denying civilian sales.

It's like saying I have a honda civic and an HK civic. They're roughly the same car, but just because I can't get the HK civic, I'm going to pay 5 times more for one. Meanwhile, the guy actually driving the Lambo is laughing at BOTH the civic drivers.

HK 416 is NOT a Lamborghini. It's not even in the same league. It's just a regular gas-piston upper that you can't get.

Yes, it is a prestige thing. Why? Because most of us can't afford one & that makes it more appealing to the folks who can. Otherwise, HK diehards would probably pay any price for them just to own them. It's no secret that HK is nice stuff. I haven't heard of the HK Civic though? I would bet money that a 416 would outlast any other AR piston upper (apples for apples) in torture testing.

[civilsnake]

Yes, it is a prestige thing. Why? Because most of us can't afford one & that makes it more appealing to the folks who can. Otherwise, HK diehards would probably pay any price for them just to own them. It's no secret that HK is nice stuff. I haven't heard of the HK Civic though? I would bet money that a 416 would outlast any other AR piston upper (apples for apples) in torture testing.

I don't think I would call it prestige. People who pay $3-5k for this upper are like the people who bought PS3s online for a 300% markup. There were plenty of other ways to play video games, and a lot of them were just as good or better. But people wanted to have the coveted and hard to obtain. This didn't make them smarter or better gamers, it just proved that some people are willing to pay through the nose to have the current, hottest thing.

You pay for a Lambo because it can do things that few other cars can do. The HK is a piston upper. A well designed piston upper, but a still just a piston upper. And let's not forget, a Corvette Z06 will hang with a Lambo at half the price. AND have racing heritage.

I'm not saying it's not a quality piece of weaponry. It surely is. But it's hard to pretend that it's good enough to command a 400% premium over similar systems.

[Astig Boy]

I don't think I would call it prestige. People who pay $3-5k for this upper are like the people who bought PS3s online for a 300% markup. There were plenty of other ways to play video games, and a lot of them were just as good or better. But people wanted to have the coveted and hard to obtain. This didn't make them smarter or better gamers, it just proved that some people are willing to pay through the nose to have the current, hottest thing.

You pay for a Lambo because it can do things that few other cars can do. The HK is a piston upper. A well designed piston upper, but a still just a piston upper. And let's not forget, a Corvette Z06 will hang with a Lambo at half the price. AND have racing heritage.

I'm not saying it's not a quality piece of weaponry. It surely is. But it's hard to pretend that it's good enough to command a 400% premium over similar systems.

Agreed! My thoughts exactly.

[sigguy552]

It's not a prestige thing because the people that can buy them are STILL paying 4-5X the cost of a 416 because HK is denying civilian sales.

It's like saying I have a honda civic and an HK civic. They're roughly the same car, but just because I can't get the HK civic, I'm going to pay 5 times more for one. Meanwhile, the guy actually driving the Lambo is laughing at BOTH the civic drivers.

HK 416 is NOT a Lamborghini. It's not even in the same league. It's just a regular gas-piston upper that you can't get.

bdsmchs, you might want to do some research first. HK is not "denying" civilian sales and would love to be able to sell uppers to civilians but cannot due to 922r. The 416 bbl is a machine gun bbl and cannot be imported for sale to civilians. The only loophole is to buy from a c3 dealer who "chopped" it up after doing a "demo" for LE purposes. Please get the facts straight as there is enough disinformation here.

HK makes some great weapons and the living proof is militaries around the world that have adopted their weapons platforms including SEAL's,CAG and 1st SFOD.

Are they overpriced...some would say so. However, I've never bought an HK weapon and lost money on the resale so I'm happy to pay the premium.

If you can't afford it, don't buy it.

[PRODRIVE]

i think i would buy sig 550 then just the hk .

[trinydex]

I don't think I would call it prestige. People who pay $3-5k for this upper are like the people who bought PS3s online for a 300% markup. There were plenty of other ways to play video games, and a lot of them were just as good or better. But people wanted to have the coveted and hard to obtain. This didn't make them smarter or better gamers, it just proved that some people are willing to pay through the nose to have the current, hottest thing.

You pay for a Lambo because it can do things that few other cars can do. The HK is a piston upper. A well designed piston upper, but a still just a piston upper. And let's not forget, a Corvette Z06 will hang with a Lambo at half the price. AND have racing heritage.

I'm not saying it's not a quality piece of weaponry. It surely is. But it's hard to pretend that it's good enough to command a 400% premium over similar systems.

i think you were right up until you talked about the lambo. what can a lambo do that others can't?

[aplinker]

i think you were right up until you talked about the lambo. what can a lambo do that others can't?

Get you laid.

[trinydex]

Get you laid.

touche... well played haha

[Max-the-Silent]

so from what ive read on HK pro, the hk416 upper should theoretically just mount up to a standard lower?

anyone can confirm this?

more importantly, can we buy an 416 or 416 upper in CA?

its an amazing setup. i would love to get a complete weapon, but im sure it will be thousands, so getting just the important part with my own lower and accessories. (though the hk stuff its awesome)

For the amount of money you'd have to spend as a civilian to get the upper, it's a complete waste of money.

I've had significant trigger time with a T. & E. unit our department purchased, and there is a small advantage for military/LE use, but no advantage for civilian semi-auto use.

If you have to get ahold of a gas piston upper to satisfy your GAS, get the LWRC. I've used LWRC's in civilian and NFA flavors, and there's not enough difference between HK and LWRC to justify the cost.

[civilsnake]

i think you were right up until you talked about the lambo. what can a lambo do that others can't?

I said it can do things FEW others can, and I simply meant that, in the grand scheme, not many cars are as fast as the Lambo. The difference between the driving capabilities of a Gallardo and a 350Z are much greater than the difference in shooting capabilities between the HK and an Addax-built system.

[Hkfanatic]

being a HUGE H&K freak im gonna chime in on this,

is it overpriced HELL YES but its something that will NEVER loose its value.
i argued with my self when i bought my SP89 from turners almost two decades ago. "do i really want to pay 900$ for an oversized 9mm pistol that is extremely cumbersome?" well that 900$ pistol is worth 4000$ now.

you have to understand the addiction, i would pay stupid money for H&K stuff and so would a ton of other people.

what about those 1911 people. to me a 3000$ STI or 2500$ lesbaer is retarded. and most of the time your NEVER going to get the same money back out of it. give me a 900$ springfield and do a few mods. unless yuor a master competition shooter you wont notice the difference between the two.

if i had 3900$ i would buy a 416 upper, yeah a LW piston upper is just as close and WAYYYYY cheaper. but you know H&K's been around for more then a half a century and have supplied some of the finest arms in the world to military,civi and police forces alike. im willing to bet that they are better designed, better made and made out of better materials.

whats that mean for a guy like me who's not going to be swimming in sand or mud with it. nothing, im never going to test its durability. even if i had a LW upper its not going to be used for the enviorment it was designed for.

but at the end of the day a LW piston upper will just be another AR upper,
but that H&K 416 upper will always be an H&K.

i guess you just have to be a koolaid drinker, we all have our taste's weather it be 1911's, or H&K's ferrari's or corvettes. we all have our own opinion.

[a1fabweld]

but at the end of the day a LW piston upper will just be another AR upper,
but that H&K 416 upper will always be an H&K.

That pretty much sums it up. Well said!!