lets talk HK416

[hnoppenberger]

so from what ive read on HK pro, the hk416 upper should theoretically just mount up to a standard lower?

anyone can confirm this?

more importantly, can we buy an 416 or 416 upper in CA?

its an amazing setup. i would love to get a complete weapon, but im sure it will be thousands, so getting just the important part with my own lower and accessories. (though the hk stuff its awesome)

[lazyworm]

I'm probably wrong, but I once heard that's just essentially the same as the POF upper.

[civilsnake]

It's a gas piston upper. There are a lot of those available now without two little red letters that will cost you a lot less and do the same thing.

People have acquired uppers for $2k+ if I recall correctly...

[BONECUTTER]

There is one on Gunbroker ...starting bid $5,900.00

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=115129837

My LWRC does the same thing and I can buy 4 for that price. But hey.....buy what ever makes you happy.

[Knight]

*Looks off into distance* Storm's a comin'.

[CHS]

It's an HK upper. It's got a piston in it. HK hates civilian sales, so they won't even put the uppers on the market.

A few leak out, and they want ridiculous amounts of money for them because people think they're something that they really aren't.

If you want an upper that costs as much as 3-4 COMPLETE AR rifles, go ahead. But that won't stop people from laughing at you

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

For a lot less money, you can get a high quality gas piston upper from Addax, he's a sponsor here and a good guy.

[sigguy552]

Mounts onto a standard AR lower. Make sure you get the hk buffer and spring. You also need to have a M16 hammer so that it clears the carrier safety. It was pretty ghey taking mine to the range for the first time and getting nothing but a "click" when I pulled the trigger.

[CHS]

Ok, and to actually address your questions:

so from what ive read on HK pro, the hk416 upper should theoretically just mount up to a standard lower?

Yes, that's correct.

anyone can confirm this?

Yes. It's confirmed.

more importantly, can we buy an 416 or 416 upper in CA?

HK is not doing any civilian sales of the 416.

its an amazing setup. i would love to get a complete weapon, but im sure it will be thousands, so getting just the important part with my own lower and accessories. (though the hk stuff its awesome)

It's really not that amazing.

[ChrisXD45T]

I've handled one.
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It was very nice; quite accurate too.
It is definitely not like a P.O.F. They're both piston operated, but that's about all they have in common.
There is nothing illegal with getting just an upper in CA if someone will permanently attach the flash hider for you before shipping, but good luck finding one for a reasonable price. I don't see myself spending the kind of money people are asking for in order to get one, but hey, like BONECUTTER said, whatever makes you happy.

[a1fabweld]

It's an HK upper.
If you want an upper that costs as much as 3-4 COMPLETE AR rifles, go ahead. But that won't stop people from laughing at you .

I agree that it's way overpriced but people laughing at you for owning one? Do you laugh at a guy driving a Lambo? Yes you can buy a car lot full of Civic's for the price of one. But it's a prestige thing to those who can afford it. The guy who can afford $6k for an upper laughs as he wipes his butt with $100 bills.

[aplinker]

If we could use SBRs the HK uppers really are good.

LWRC is pretty damned close, too.

If you have $5k burning a hole in your pocket, go ahead.

There are members of this board who have them, too. I've seen a couple.

[badicedog]

Mounts onto a standard AR lower. Make sure you get the hk buffer and spring. You also need to have a M16 hammer so that it clears the carrier safety. It was pretty ghey taking mine to the range for the first time and getting nothing but a "click" when I pulled the trigger.

A DPMS hammer will suffice. Don't get a M16 hammer, potentially could be a constructive possession issue(unless you convert M16 hammer to AR hammer by filing off the hook ontop.

[Ding126]

They are not the same as " other " GPU's. They are the best you can buy..believe it or not.( start the flaming ). HK " rumor control " is there might be a civi version for the states ( don't hold your breath ) If I wanted a GPU right now.. I would try the Barrett in 6.8 spc. or LMT....POF's look fugly IMO

Save your money and wait..Unless you shoot full auto, the cost is not justified and 99% of AR shooter are weekender and mall ninja's.

There will be more Mfg's offering GPU's next year or so. ( did I mention Colt? )

Colt's Advanced L.E. Carbine, a newly designed law enforcement weapon system that features a GAS PISTON operating system and one piece upper reciever with integral rail system that allows for easy mounting of accessories and maintains 100% zero at all times. With the 4-position buttstock fully retracted, the Advanced Law Enforcement Carbine is less than 32 in (81 cm) in lenght and weights only 7.03lb, ideal for tactical deployment and traditional patrol. Colt's Advanced L.E. Carbine is available with a step-cut barrel that allows it to accept a grenade launcher for non-lethal options.

Weapon comes complete with Flip-up target style US Military rear MATECH BUIS, flip up front sight, 2-20 round mags, manaul and cleaning kit. It also has 4 forward rails @ 12/3/6/9 o'clock with the 6 o'clock rail removable for grenade launcher attachment



Oh and Hk GPU's are going for 4-5k the 14.5" upper is more $$$ and the 10.5" are around 4K ( supply & demand )

Anything on GB is usually over priced and not a reason to compare what the going rate is for something. IMO

[Addax]

I have handled the 416, and it is a really nice piston system set up, but the recoil from the system is a little too harsh for my tastes. Other than that, I like the HK416.

Would I spend the $3-$5k asking price?

No.

[badicedog]

Deals come up from time to time. I didn't spend 3-5K on mine...