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  • dh223
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 5

    Bullet button vs Featureless

    I have 6 AR15 style rifles. 2 guns are setup for coyote hunting with ACOG scopes. Two have Aimpoint Pro scopes. And, 2 are setup T1s and IR lasers for night shooting.

    In the past, all were equipped with Radlocks. I wanted to keep the "feel" of how the rifle was meant to be. All of them have Magpul CTR stocks, Magpul grips, and Magpul forends.

    I just recently put a Magpul fixed carbine stock, solar tactical grip wrap, left handed safety, and Surefire Procomp on one of them. I took off the Radlock and now I can drop magazines. I am completely surprised. IT IS NOT THAT BAD. I love the fixed carbine stock. It is easy to use the left handed safety. The grip wrap is easy to get used to. I put skateboarders tape on it and it is easy to grip. The biggest bummer is the Procomp. It makes the flash more noticeable.

    I am thinking about converting the rest. Has anyone else gone featureless and regretted it? It will cost about $500 for the various parts. I like the idea of having guns I could actually use for home defense or anything else that comes up. Dropping mags would be nice. The limitations of the stupid Kali grip wrap were not as bad as I thought. Still retarded. But, not horrific.

    Featureless or Raddlock - what do you think?
    Last edited by dh223; 03-03-2015, 5:57 AM.
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    xjdesertfox
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 854

    Featureless with thordsen stock > grip wrap

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    • #3
      BigBamBoo
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2008
      • 5215

      Thordsen stock FTW.
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      It makes it bigger and longer.

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      • #4
        Jamesaaron61
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2015
        • 20

        Hello I just joined cal guns today I'm a long time forum lurker! Lol any ways I will be moving to California in one year and for the past year I have been kinda trying to understand all the laws you all have. I just recently bought a century C 39V 2 and I love it and I was wanting to see who else had a featureless rifle and what did they think of it? Just holding it that way doesn't seem bad but I get freaking paranoid thinking what will happen if I screw this up. The fix seems to simple for such a complicated law! If you know what I mean.

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        • #5
          3lsmc7
          Senior Member
          • May 2011
          • 955

          I'm currently in the process of converting my AK into a featureless. Will let you know if I regret it or not. Currently waiting on a new grip, which I will try to make my own grip wrap on and also a Magpul FSC stock.

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          • #6
            kcjr1125
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 3883

            Originally posted by Jamesaaron61
            Hello I just joined cal guns today I'm a long time forum lurker! Lol any ways I will be moving to California in one year and for the past year I have been kinda trying to understand all the laws you all have. I just recently bought a century C 39V 2 and I love it and I was wanting to see who else had a featureless rifle and what did they think of it? Just holding it that way doesn't seem bad but I get freaking paranoid thinking what will happen if I screw this up. The fix seems to simple for such a complicated law! If you know what I mean.
            DO it, going featureless is great, especially on a AK. i bought that solar tactical gripwrap for my Century C39 and its awesome. holding the rifle with a grip wrap is, to me anyway, just like holding any other non pistol grip rifle. really no getting used to imo. I will do all my rifles featureless from now on. only thing that sucks for you is that all those 30 rounders you have you will not be able to bring in.
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            • #7
              drclark
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2006
              • 1795

              My issue with featureless is that it is much more difficult to maintain control of the rifle with just your firing hand (like when opening a doorknob with your support hand) unless you have a thordsen, hammerhead or u15 style stock.

              For home defense, I think you are better off with a gun that is naturally "featureless" such as an su16, mini14, Ares scr, etc rather than fumbling with a rifle with "compromised" ergonomics.

              For recreational or hunting purposes, a featureless set up is a matter of preference.

              Regardless, whatever option you go for home defense, train with it in that setup.

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              • #8
                Sunday
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2010
                • 5574

                6 ARs? almost enough.
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                • #9
                  Jamesaaron61
                  Junior Member
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 20

                  Yeah I don't know what I will do with my 30 rounders. I was thinking of storing them in a storage locker out of state. Won't really use them and for target practice I don't like using 30's because I shoot too much! I just want them somewhat close by if I wwere to ever need them at least they won't be half way across the country!

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                  • #10
                    Jamesaaron61
                    Junior Member
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 20

                    The AR feels like your taking so much away when you go featureless. But the AK was made when fetureless was standard...don't know if that makes since. You feel like you still have more of the original rifle.

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                    • #11
                      Jamesaaron61
                      Junior Member
                      • Mar 2015
                      • 20

                      Sorry for hijacking the thread sorta. Fetureless seems the way to go and I will do it with as many as I can.

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                      • #12
                        CSACANNONEER
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                        • Dec 2006
                        • 44093

                        Originally posted by dh223
                        In the past, all were equipped with Radlocks. I wanted to keep the "feel" of how the rifle was meant to be. All of them have Magpul CTR stocks, Magpul grips, and Magpul forends.
                        LOL. Mr. Stoner did not design the rifle to feel the way it feels with magpul furniture. If you want the feel of how the rifle was meant to be, you'll need to build a retro AR.


                        That said, featureless is much more practical but, I have both featureless and mag locked ARs just to spice things up.
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                        • #13
                          BigBamBoo
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 5215

                          Most folks who say this have never tried the Thordsen stock. Last time I was at the range with my Thordesn equipped AR, I ended up letting 6 folks try it out.

                          ALL of them were very excited about it and pretty much all of them said after just a few rounds they totally forgot about it not being a pistol grip.

                          When I ordered the FRS-15 I REALLY did not want to like it just based on pictures I had seen.
                          Once in hand and installed, I was ready to replace all my BB equipped AR's with the FRS stock. And pretty much EVERYONE who sees my rifle in person says it looks "more evil" then a standard configured AR.


                          Originally posted by Jamesaaron61
                          The AR feels like your taking so much away when you go featureless. But the AK was made when fetureless was standard...don't know if that makes since. You feel like you still have more of the original rifle.
                          Bring hay for my horse....wine for my men....and mud for my turtle!

                          What do you hear ???...... Nothing but the rain. Well grab your gun and bring in the cat.

                          "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
                          - Sigmund Freud

                          Originally posted by ar15barrels
                          It makes it bigger and longer.

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                          • #14
                            Click Boom
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 6955

                            Originally posted by drclark
                            My issue with featureless is that it is much more difficult to maintain control of the rifle with just your firing hand (like when opening a doorknob with your support hand) unless you have a thordsen, hammerhead or u15 style stock.

                            For home defense, I think you are better off with a gun that is naturally "featureless" such as an su16, mini14, Ares scr, etc rather than fumbling with a rifle with "compromised" ergonomics.

                            For recreational or hunting purposes, a featureless set up is a matter of preference.

                            Regardless, whatever option you go for home defense, train with it in that setup.
                            The window wrap helps a lot imo

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                            • #15
                              Click Boom
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 6955

                              For the chiiiiildruhn

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