Remage Conversion?

[Zeva]

Hello,

I had a few questions about a remage conversion:

I saw that Northland Shooter supply sells a nut hat converts a remington action to accept a Savage Small shank barrel? Has anyone tried one of these? What type of work is needed? I was considering changing my stock sps to a remage type setup, I would assume that I would have to bring it to a gun smith to have this nut installed then after I can change the barrel at home? What other changes would be needed? Thanks!

[OverUnderClays]

That conversion will allow you to set headspace at home versus having a gunsmith do it for you. There is nothing to install, you will need go and no go gauges. Installing a barrel is like this, with a go gauge on the bolt in the battery position, screw on the barrel to the action so that it is snug with go gauge in the chamber. Once that is set, tighten the nut down and you're done.

[Sig Marine]

Hello,

I had a few questions about a remage conversion:

I saw that Northland Shooter supply sells a nut hat converts a remington action to accept a Savage Small shank barrel? Has anyone tried one of these? What type of work is needed? I was considering changing my stock sps to a remage type setup, I would assume that I would have to bring it to a gun smith to have this nut installed then after I can change the barrel at home? What other changes would be needed? Thanks!

Northland Shooter's does sell the barrel nut, and other components, to allow your Remington action to accept pre-threaded and chambered barrels BUT it is not designed to accept the Savage small shank barrels. The barrels sold by Northland for the Rem-Age system are by Criterion and are made specifically for the Remington threads.

As for work needed...you will probably need a gunsmith to remove your factory barrel. From my understanding they can be a b*tch to get off. Once off, however, you can change/install barrels at home with go/no-go gauges, a barrel nut wrench and an action wrench. You'll also need a bench vise or barrel vise. The action wrench needs to be one that clamps on the outside of the action and has a cut out for the recoil lug. Once you have installed the action wrench, you clamp it in a bench vise or the barrel in a barrel vise.

The barrel nut is installed from the muzzle and acts as a lock nut that locks the barrel in place after threading the barrel in and achieving the correct headspace.

I've read of several shooters having success with the Rem-Age system. Barrel quality is good, reasonably priced and the ability to change calibers is a big bonus in their opinion. Also, the monetary savings and time involved to send an action off to a gunsmith to get re-barreled is a big part of why some shooters like the system. I know of some guys spending the big bucks and buying "custom" actions and going Rem-Age.

BTW, there are several YouTube videos out there showing the barrel changing process for your viewing pleasure.

Hope this helps...Sig Marine

[spamsucker]

I did a Winage switchbarrel (winchester M70 post w/ savage style barrel nut) with BlackHoleWeaponry barrels. It's super easy to set headspace at home.

[Zeva]

So with a Remage action how exactly does the recoil lug work? from what I've read it should be pinned? it sounds like a very interesting concept! think I might do it! but I think I should bring the action to get trued first, is there anything I would have to tell the gunsmith? or is it just normal work? Thanks!

[OverUnderClays]

So with a Remage action how exactly does the recoil lug work? from what I've read it should be pinned? it sounds like a very interesting concept! think I might do it! but I think I should bring the action to get trued first, is there anything I would have to tell the gunsmith? or is it just normal work? Thanks!

The recoil should be pinned so that, it's easier for end user, you, to switch barrels. If not, you'll have to align the recoil lug inline with the action screws on the bottom of the receiver. Not an easy task for those, who have not done it before. I've done it without having it pinned, and having a gunsmith pin the lug, makes barrel swapping/installing less frustrating.

[Sig Marine]

So with a Remage action how exactly does the recoil lug work? from what I've read it should be pinned? it sounds like a very interesting concept! think I might do it! but I think I should bring the action to get trued first, is there anything I would have to tell the gunsmith? or is it just normal work? Thanks!

Recoil lugs can be pinned or not. If you decide to pin the lug, then all you need is a barrel vise to perform the work. If you decide to NOT pin, then you need an action wrench that attaches from the outside of the action and has a recess for the lug and orients it correctly.

If you are in the Southern California area, I would contact Randall, Calgun member AR15Barrels. I would have him remove the factory barrel, true the action and pin a new lug to the receiver. I'd also order and have in hand your barrel, barrel nut and barrel nut wrench along with your go/no-go gauges. When you see him, he can do the action and lug work AND show you how to install the barrel. While not complicated, to me it would be worth the money and your time to learn from a gunsmith while being able to ask questions about the install. Barrel installs/swaps with the Rem-Age system usually don't take more than 15 minutes, money well spent for his and your time since you're already there. By pinning the lug, all you need besides your barrel wrench and go/no-go gauges would be a good barrel vise.

BTW, I like using very, very light coat of anti-seize on the threads.

While I don't agree with all of what this guy does, here's a video using a Savage with a pinned lug that gives you the basics. Let me add that some guys will torque the barrel nut using a torque wrench instead of using the "mallet torgue" method.

Changing a Savage Barrel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANK9KbXmMr4

Randall's Remington Page: http://www.700barrels.com/services.shtml
Randall's Email Info: randall at ar15barrels.com (replace "at" with @)

Semper Fi...Sig Marine

[Wrangler John]

I have been building Savage and Remington swap barrel rifles for the past decade.

Here are some specifics:

The Remington 700 is easily converted to use a barrel nut, but the barrels have to be machined specifically for Remington 700 actions, as the bolt is recessed into the barrel, while the Savage is not. They are not interchangeable.

The new Remington 783 is manufactured with a small shank Savage compatible barrel nut. The threads on both are the same, and the nuts interchange, I am working with a 783 now and the nuts are exactly the same. The Remington 783 nut fits the Savage nut wrench, as do those for the Remington 700 by Northland Shooter Supply and Pac-Nor Barreling. Pac-Nor barrels are a superior product available in numerous contours, wildcat and standard chamberings, a wide number of grooves, polygonal rifling, a selection of twist rates or a custom twist rate. They cost more and delivery times are longer. The Northland Shooter Supply Criterion barrels are excellent, double lapped, are delivered in a reasonable time, and mine is proving very accurate.

The Remington 783 barrel is slightly different than the Savage due to the way the bolt fits, they are not interchangeable. The 783 barrel is also not interchangeable with the Remington 700.

While I have some recoil lugs pinned for convenience, it is not necessary. The recoil lug can be indexed (clocked) with the use of a commercial jig. There are several available for both thicker precision ground lugs and brand specific aftermarket lugs. as well as the factory Remington lug:

This one fits the OEM lug, or a PT&G precision lug: http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...-prod7653.aspx

This jig fits Darrell Holland's precision lug: http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...prod72388.aspx

This jig is for David Tubb's precision lug: http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...prod72389.aspx

The Badger Ordnance jig fits all OEM lugs and the Badger Maximized lug. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/315...ProductFinding It attaches to the Remington 700 action with an enclosed screw. Because it utilizes a slotted screw hole, it also is the only lug jig that fits the Remington 783 (the front action take-down screw hole is closer to the action face), you have to provide or make your own screw though as the 783 uses 1/4"-32 TPI action screws. These are the same thread as Winchester Model 70 action screws. (Dies for 1/4"-32 are available here - http://www.midwayusa.com/product/555...-1-4-32-thread). Jim Briggs at Northland Shooter Supply also has a screw for the 783 action wrench he sells, but that wrench will not index the recoil lug.

This precision recoil lug will work with the Remington 700, 783 and small shank Savage. The advantage is that there is minimal, if any, stock inletting needed to accommodate it, depending on the stock. It is precision ground and 0.250" thick. I have confirmed that it fits all applications listed. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/343...ProductFinding

Some of the larger precision lugs will not fit into factory stocks as they require too much inletting reducing integrity of the stock.

An action wrench is not necessary in most cases. Although I have two Remington action wrenches I use my big old hand to hold the action, or a plumber's strap wrench, while the barrel nut is torqued to 40 ft lbs. For the Remington 700 with the factory recoil lug an action wrench will work. Factory barrels on the 700 may be really tight and have thread sealer complicating things, so the action wrench is necessary, or have a smith remove the OEM barrel.

The Remington 783 nut is easily broken free with a tap from a rawhide mallet on the nut wrench. Factory threads are coated in oil they come apart by hand once loose.

A barrel vise is needed to remove and install barrels. I found this one the most practical for sporter contoured barrels: http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...prod58959.aspx This vise adapts itself to the barrel's contour and locks down tightly, eliminating the need for bushings. It does not mar the finish on matte stainless or blued finishes, but paper shims can be used just in case.

I use this vise for varmint barrels, but the above vise is better for thinner contoured barrels: http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...prod17199.aspx

Be sure to use an anti-seize compound when assembling the new barrel and nut. I use this stuff as it is anti-corrosive and protects against galling. A single tube should last a lifetime.: http://www.amazon.com/WHITE-31003-Gr...ade+Anti-seize

Also, don't cheat, buy a proper set of headspace gauges, GO and NO GO gauges. Buy them from the same manufacturer and treat them like eggs, don't drop them and keep them clean.

Now go screw around with some barrels.

[CriterionBarrels]

Hello,

I had a few questions about a remage conversion:

I saw that Northland Shooter supply sells a nut hat converts a remington action to accept a Savage Small shank barrel? Has anyone tried one of these? What type of work is needed? I was considering changing my stock sps to a remage type setup, I would assume that I would have to bring it to a gun smith to have this nut installed then after I can change the barrel at home? What other changes would be needed? Thanks!

Our Rem/Age barrels are slightly different than the Savage small shank barrels, and while they are not directly compatible, the basic fundamentals of installation are the same. Jim over at Northland Shooters Supply can walk you through the basic material requirements and installation steps. The Rem/Age pre-fit barrels can be installed fairly easily by a mechanically inclined shooter, but getting the original factory barrel off may require a gunsmith's assistance.

If you have any questions about the barrels themselves feel free to shoot me an email at contact@criterionbarrels.com or give us a phone call at (262) 628-8749.

[MongooseV8]

Northland Shooter's does sell the barrel nut, and other components, to allow your Remington action to accept pre-threaded and chambered barrels BUT it is not designed to accept the Savage small shank barrels. The barrels sold by Northland for the Rem-Age system are by Criterion and are made specifically for the Remington threads.

As for work needed...you will probably need a gunsmith to remove your factory barrel. From my understanding they can be a b*tch to get off. Once off, however, you can change/install barrels at home with go/no-go gauges, a barrel nut wrench and an action wrench. You'll also need a bench vise or barrel vise. The action wrench needs to be one that clamps on the outside of the action and has a cut out for the recoil lug. Once you have installed the action wrench, you clamp it in a bench vise or the barrel in a barrel vise.

The barrel nut is installed from the muzzle and acts as a lock nut that locks the barrel in place after threading the barrel in and achieving the correct headspace.

I've read of several shooters having success with the Rem-Age system. Barrel quality is good, reasonably priced and the ability to change calibers is a big bonus in their opinion. Also, the monetary savings and time involved to send an action off to a gunsmith to get re-barreled is a big part of why some shooters like the system. I know of some guys spending the big bucks and buying "custom" actions and going Rem-Age.

BTW, there are several YouTube videos out there showing the barrel changing process for your viewing pleasure.

Hope this helps...Sig Marine

Some misinformation here. If you buy an action/nut wrench and have a good vise you can easily complete this in your garage. Its easier if you have a nice barrel vise, but a couple chunks of walnut with a circle cut out works fine.

The nut in not installed from the muzzle. It is threaded on the barrel first, then slide the recoil lug on then thread into the receiver.

The Criterion barrels NSS sells are awesome barrels, I have several. All shoot fantastic groups. If you like to tinker and save money this is a very good option.

[Mustang]

Just so I understand...

The Remage conversion does not involve altering the 700 action? You remove the barrel from the old action and then use a pre threaded barrel and barrel nut to install the new barrel?

[ar15barrels]

Just so I understand...

The Remage conversion does not involve altering the 700 action? You remove the barrel from the old action and then use a pre threaded barrel and barrel nut to install the new barrel?

That's correct.

[Varg Vikernes]

Here is a good video on how to do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m156XZE9mlQ

[jrpowell3]

How is accuracy affected by using this system?

[Mr. Patis]

How is accuracy affected by using this system?

Mine is very accurate...it's a 6.5 cr...I'm actually just finishing another one