H&R 25-06 zeroing issue

[panzerman]

Hello all,
I have an H&R 25-06 with a Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 Dusk to Dawn scope and am having some zeroing issues that I need help on. Brand new rifle and scope, started out at 50 yds, laser boresighted in garage prior to going to range, first 3 rounds hit 7 inches high and 3 inches left, bold adjustments of 30 clicks in elevation and 12 in azimuth brought the next 3 rounds 8 inches high and about dead on in azimuth. I dropped the elevation another 30 clicks kept azimuth the same and fired 3 more; 2 shots hit far left of target but on in elevation , 1 apparently missed completely. I stopped, let the rifle cool, checked mount and rings for tightness, slipped all back to zero and zero, reboresighted and shot 3 more missing target completely to the right (I think). Anybody have a clue what in the hell I am doing wrong?

[TMB 1]

What I usually do is use a good rest so rifle doesn't move. I fire a shot at 25 yards, then without moving rifle. I move the cross hair to the bullet hole, fire another shot to see if its on. Then I shoot it at 100 yard and see where it's hitting.

[Merc1138]

Hello all,
I have an H&R 25-06 with a Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 Dusk to Dawn scope and am having some zeroing issues that I need help on. Brand new rifle and scope, started out at 50 yds, laser boresighted in garage prior to going to range, first 3 rounds hit 7 inches high and 3 inches left, bold adjustments of 30 clicks in elevation and 12 in azimuth brought the next 3 rounds 8 inches high and about dead on in azimuth. I dropped the elevation another 30 clicks kept azimuth the same and fired 3 more; 2 shots hit far left of target but on in elevation , 1 apparently missed completely. I stopped, let the rifle cool, checked mount and rings for tightness, slipped all back to zero and zero, reboresighted and shot 3 more missing target completely to the right (I think). Anybody have a clue what in the hell I am doing wrong?

How much did you actually torque everything down? And as TMB 1 mentioned, a rest is good to have, sandbags are a good option.

[G-Man WC]

The best place for all things Handi (H&R / NEF) is gray beard.com.
The fit and amount of torque on the forearm screw has a lot to do with your issue I"ll bet. -g

[panzerman]

The best place for all things Handi (H&R / NEF) is gray beard.com.
The fit and amount of torque on the forearm screw has a lot to do with your issue I"ll bet. -g

I took your advice and am registering on his website, I have heard of torque issues with the forend but am clueless on how much to use or not to use...thanks much

[panzerman]

What I usually do is use a good rest so rifle doesn't move. I fire a shot at 25 yards, then without moving rifle. I move the cross hair to the bullet hole, fire another shot to see if its on. Then I shoot it at 100 yard and see where it's hitting.

It is supported well with sandbags fore and aft and seems to be solid....I am not ruling out operator error though

[G-Man WC]

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/hr-centerfire-rifles/faq's-and-help-****please-read!!!****/

Handi Basics 101

1. Trigger pull must be all the way to the rear, don't release it at the break, or the transfer bar will drop out of place and inconsistent pin strikes will occur. See Misfires here and here.

2. Close the action with some force, when new this is extremely important, the latch and latch shelf need to mate and that doesn't happen real fast, takes some open and close cycles for the parts to get used to each other.

3. Place the front rest just ahead of the trigger guard under the hinge, if you push the guard right into the front rest, it will be in the same position each time. On my rest, the rear sling stud is also against the rear rest.

4. Even after polishing the bore, it may take well over 60-80 rounds to start shooting well, my 223 Ultra started shooting real well after 80 rounds after polishing.

5. If you want to find out if the forend is affecting accuracy, remove the forend and shoot it, just slip it back on to reload and remove it again to shoot. If the forend needs work, it will shoot good without it.

6. Take your time shooting, most Handis don't shoot the best groups when the barrel is hot, specially without some forend work.

7. Always make sure the latch and latch shelf are dry, this is especially important if you clean at the range, it's real easy to get solvent on the latch shelf since it's directly below the chamber.

8. Make sure the brass and chamber are clean and dry, any lube left on the brass will make em stick, oil or solvent in the chamber will do the same.

9. With a barrel locked up good, the barrel release lever will likely be loose to the point of rattling if you shake the firearm, this is normal and not indicative of a problem. The release should be snug with no or little looseness with the action open, although there may not be much difference between the release lever position between open and locked up on some firearms.

[CSACANNONEER]

Either your scope is bad, your mounting is bad or you're doing something wrong. First, check your scope and mounts. Second, throw the laser boresighter away and just open the action and sight through the bore. Finally, learn the one shot zero method. If you need hands on help, I could meet you at Angeles sometime.

[panzerman]

QUOTE=CSACANNONEER;13777746]Either your scope is bad, your mounting is bad or you're doing something wrong. First, check your scope and mounts. Second, throw the laser boresighter away and just open the action and sight through the bore. Finally, learn the one shot zero method. If you need hands on help, I could meet you at Angeles sometime.[/QUOTE]


Angeles? Scope and mount seemed tight as a drum, I did not use the laser boresighter when I reboresighted on the range. Saturday I will try again using the detailed advice from G-man WC and see what happens.

[Merc1138]

Angeles? Scope and mount seemed tight as a drum, I did not use the laser boresighter when I reboresighted on the range. Saturday I will try again using the detailed advice from G-man WC and see what happens.

That's twice now you've said it was tight...

How tight was it? Did you torque all of the screws to spec, or just go by feel?

[CSACANNONEER]

That's twice now you've said it was tight...

How tight was it? Did you torque all of the screws to spec, or just go by feel?

It was as tight as a ten year old boy's ...........

[Merc1138]

It was as tight as a ten year old boy's ...........

Is that measured in inch or foot pou....

nevermind.

[panzerman]

Torque done by feel.

[Merc1138]

Torque done by feel.

Go get your hands on a torque driver that's in inch pounds(borrow, buy, whatever) and properly tighten it all down.

[panzerman]

Where are the torque specs listed?