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  • jkonquer
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 623

    New to bolt action

    Just bought a remington 700 sps tact 20" and i was wondering if you guys can shed some lights on few questions i have.

    With 20" bull barrel, would you even need 20 MOA scope bases? And how much of magnification is required and necessary for this barrel?

    Who makes the cadillac of scope bases and rings? And who should i avoid?

    And lastly, what is a must have for this type of rifle?

    Thank you very much
  • #2
    edgerly779
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Aug 2009
    • 19871

    Optics run from $100 to 3k. Are you target shooting or hunting. Do you handload? Lot of variables. Leupold makes quality scopes and rings.

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    • #3
      russ69
      Calguns Addict
      • Nov 2009
      • 9348

      Originally posted by jkonquer
      With 20" bull barrel,...what is a must have for this type of rifle?...
      A suppressor.
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      • #4
        ElvenSoul
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Apr 2008
        • 17431

        Originally posted by jkonquer
        Just bought a remington 700 sps tact 20" and i was wondering if you guys can shed some lights on few questions i have.

        With 20" bull barrel, would you even need 20 MOA scope bases? And how much of magnification is required and necessary for this barrel?

        Who makes the cadillac of scope bases and rings? And who should i avoid?

        And lastly, what is a must have for this type of rifle?

        Thank you very much
        Some very fine glass!

        I thought these came with rails?
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        • #5
          ElvenSoul
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Apr 2008
          • 17431

          Ok just saw the rem specs for this..no rails included...very vague if pre drilled.

          You need to find out if pre drilled to accept scope mounts or rails!
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          • #6
            NorCalFocus
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2013
            • 3913

            I'm sure its pre drilled. That said Badger Ordinance makes a Cadillac base and rings.

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            • #7
              JMP
              Internet Warrior
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Feb 2012
              • 17056

              Get a 20 MOA short action picatinny base for the 700. Many makers sell this piece of metal. Glass is your preference, but the 20" can shoot pretty darn far. It may be slower than a 26", but that's only more reason for elevation, especially if it has a faster twist rate that can stabalize a heavier bullet. There are scopes in the $1,000 price range that'll do everything you need in as far as function. A better trigger can help quite a bit. And, you may consider a stock and a brake since it will buck a little.

              As far as "Cadillac" accessories, you can easily over do it on that rifle. But, a $4,000 scope won't hurt your performance.

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              • #8
                jkonquer
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 623

                Sorry for the lack of info.

                Mostly target shooting and occasional hunting rifle. I wouldn't be able to shoot more than 500 yards due to lack of ranges. i would like to stay under 600 for the scope since the gun only cost around 600. And scope with larger field of view.

                The rifle has pre drilled holes no rails came with it. It has adjustable trigger. I would like to change the stock innear future since the hogue stocks are very flexible. And if i do, i would prefer the stocks that will accept AI mags

                I would like to get a rail that doesnt require bedding if possible since there arent any gun smith around my area. And willing to pay the premium.
                Last edited by jkonquer; 01-06-2014, 10:14 AM.

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                • #9
                  1859sharps
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 2261

                  Originally posted by jkonquer
                  Just bought a remington 700 sps tact 20" and i was wondering if you guys can shed some lights on few questions i have.

                  With 20" bull barrel, would you even need 20 MOA scope bases? And how much of magnification is required and necessary for this barrel?

                  Who makes the cadillac of scope bases and rings? And who should i avoid?

                  And lastly, what is a must have for this type of rifle?

                  Thank you very much
                  what is your budget
                  what is your primary intended use
                  what is the caliber (223 or 308)


                  I can tell you what I am thinking with mine....

                  for the 223, I am looking at leupold scopes in particular I am debating with my self between the VX-R Patrol Rifle or one of the Mark AR MOD 1 scopes. I will probably go with some basic rings and bases. I may replace the stock as well, still not 100% decided on that, but will make the choice after I have used it a few time.

                  I do not view this rifle as an ultra precision rifle, I do not intended to shoot long distances with it, probably 200 yards is the most distance I will be using it. if I get really ambitious I will work to be proficient out to 500 or so yards.

                  I personally don't see a justification or a need to spend huge sums of money on rings, bases or scopes for this rifle. your money, you can do what you want, but I personally see this rifle as a good little rifle for working 0 to 200 yards and will be basing my purchases, ammo, and practice on that.

                  my 2 cents. if you want to do shooting that would benefit from a $1000 or more scope and is from a high end manufacture, and have aims of shooting over 500 yards.....the sps tactical rifle was the wrong one to have bought. you would be better off getting an Rem R5 or some custom rifle build ground up for what you want to do.

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                  • #10
                    khw9mm
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 1072

                    Scope magnification won't have anything to do with what's necessary for any particular barrel length.

                    Most important for you is to set a budget on how much you want to spend on your scope and get some good match ammo to take full advantage (precision-wise) of your new gun.

                    As for rings and base. Badger, Nightforce, Seekins are make good stuff. Look up shortactionprecision.com
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                    • #11
                      JMP
                      Internet Warrior
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 17056

                      Originally posted by jkonquer
                      Sorry for the lack of info.

                      Mostly target shooting and occasional hunting rifle. I wouldn't be able to shoot more than 500 yards due to lack of ranges. i would like to stay under 600 for the scope since the gun only cost around 600. And scope with larger field of view.

                      The rifle has pre drilled holes no rails came with it. It has adjustable trigger. I would like to change the stock innear future since the hogue stocks are very flexible. And if i do, i would prefer the stocks that will accept AI mags

                      I would like to get a rail that doesnt require bedding if possible since there arent any gun smith around my area. And willing to pay the premium.
                      If you want a cheap scope, I'd go with a fixed 10x or 12x mainly because I won't use SFP scopes. Get the 20 MOA mount since it doesn't hurt, and can help in the long run if you have a scope that may run out of elevation. You may be surprised how far a basic 10x or 12x can take you.

                      For the mount, it isn't a big deal. You don't need to spend a lot of money. Most of these will work just fine. A basic picatinny mount, if you follow the instructions and use some loctite won't go anywhere and be just fine.


                      Originally posted by 1859sharps
                      what is your budget
                      what is your primary intended use
                      what is the caliber (223 or 308)

                      I can tell you what I am thinking with mine....

                      for the 223, I am looking at leupold scopes in particular I am debating with my self between the VX-R Patrol Rifle or one of the Mark AR MOD 1 scopes. I will probably go with some basic rings and bases. I may replace the stock as well, still not 100% decided on that, but will make the choice after I have used it a few time.

                      I do not view this rifle as an ultra precision rifle, I do not intended to shoot long distances with it, probably 200 yards is the most distance I will be using it. if I get really ambitious I will work to be proficient out to 500 or so yards.

                      I personally don't see a justification or a need to spend huge sums of money on rings, bases or scopes for this rifle. your money, you can do what you want, but I personally see this rifle as a good little rifle for working 0 to 200 yards and will be basing my purchases, ammo, and practice on that.

                      my 2 cents. if you want to do shooting that would benefit from a $1000 or more scope and is from a high end manufacture, and have aims of shooting over 500 yards.....the sps tactical rifle was the wrong one to have bought. you would be better off getting an Rem R5 or some custom rifle build ground up for what you want to do.
                      You guys are under estimating your rifles. While the Remington 700 is no Accuracy International, it'll far exceed the performance you are describing. In a .223, I don't think there is a model that would be more difficult than shooting fish in a barrel at 200 yards. It's not some flimsy $500 AR-15. With .223, you will be more limited by your own ability to adapt to the wind than the rifle's capability at 500 yards, especially since a light bullet is usually used since the twist rate is generally slow.

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                      • #12
                        Vu 308
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 2565

                        Originally posted by russ69
                        A suppressor.


                        LOL...yup.
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                        • #13
                          Vu 308
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 2565

                          Originally posted by jkonquer
                          Just bought a remington 700 sps tact 20" and i was wondering if you guys can shed some lights on few questions i have.

                          With 20" bull barrel, would you even need 20 MOA scope bases? And how much of magnification is required and necessary for this barrel?

                          Who makes the cadillac of scope bases and rings? And who should i avoid?

                          And lastly, what is a must have for this type of rifle?

                          Thank you very much
                          20MOA base will be needed.

                          Magnification depends on intended use. 3-15X NXS or whatever will do fine. Or a Viper PST.

                          Scope base and Rings: Badger, Seekins, Nightforce is the only hardware I like.

                          Must have.

                          Ammo
                          Bi Pod
                          Rear bag
                          and trigger time.
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                          • #14
                            1859sharps
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 2261

                            Originally posted by JMP
                            You guys are under estimating your rifles. While the Remington 700 is no Accuracy International, it'll far exceed the performance you are describing. In a .223, I don't think there is a model that would be more difficult than shooting fish in a barrel at 200 yards. It's not some flimsy $500 AR-15. With .223, you will be more limited by your own ability to adapt to the wind than the rifle's capability at 500 yards, especially since a light bullet is usually used since the twist rate is generally slow.
                            speaking for my self, not so much under estimating my rifle, rather being realistic for my current skill level, ranges I have to shot at, and what I envisioning doing with my rifle AND not talking my self into thinking it is "just as good as" $3000 custom rifle but cause I bought badger rings and a $1000 (or greater) dollar scope for a $600 rifle.

                            for what I am intending on doing, the ranges I have available to me, I can't justify spending the cost of bases and rings of in the type built by Bader and others. at 100 to 200 yards...it just isn't necessary to spend that kind of money to hit angle of man or even angle of soup can. same goes for scopes.

                            used in a self defense role, 10 shots in a 6" circle at 100 yards may not be a pretty group, but if can be done on demand, that WILL get the job done any day of the week and twice on Sunday. won't win any prices at a match, but walking away a live, pretty good prize.

                            for plinking...if you can hit the soup can at 100 yards...that is enough fun for me and if that can be achieved with a 400 to 600 ranged low power Leupold scope, rings and mounts...I am happy.

                            If I was trying to play the precision tactical rifle game...I might take a different approach and spend a little bit more on some of the upgrades and scope/hardware. but I am not. so I won't be.

                            In my area, I only know of 2 public 200 yard ranges and public time on them is pretty limited. So it's 100 yards the vast majority of the time, or find the time to go out to BLM land.

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                            • #15
                              Vu 308
                              Veteran Member
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 2565

                              ^ +1

                              No need for a hot rod if you don't plan on racing. I've also seen bone stock youth size 7mm08 hit man size targets at 1K with a 1" duplex loopy scope. You will be amazed what a hunting rig is capable of doing at distance if it is driven correctly.
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