confused about long range shooting

[MakeYaBootyBurn]

any good or great 30-06 rifles? is the Garand or 1903 good for long distance? or the M1A/M14?

[CobraRed]

is the Garand or 1903 good for long distance? or the M1A/M14?

Will the bullet travel far? Yes
Will you hit 1moa? Im not going to embellish and just say no.

You need a precision system (i.e. rifle + scope + shooter) - while M1A's and Garands have a huge well deserved following and bringing them up may start some **** storm

the answer is no.

The 30-06 cartridge is fine IMO, slightly faster than .308 but now you're shooting a long action bolt. Much better long action cartridges out there than 30-06 (imo again).

[russ69]

I was not giving you crap.
I was honestly asking.
Should we classify 200-600yds as midrange amd them everything past 600 defaults to longrange, as I do?
Or do we take midrange out to 799 and them magically start longrange at 800?
There has to be a dividing line somewhere...

I don't know, honestly. I think it's hard to quantify and it depends on the shooting discipline. I tend to be digital and the NRA big bore rule book says 600 is mid-range and 800, 900, and 1000 are long range. It's all in the context you are comfortable with. When somebody says long range to me it means the next target set past 600 yards, which is 800 yards in NRA long range shooting.
For the purposes of this forum, maybe we should assume guys are shooting 1/9 twist AR-15 carbines with 55 grain surplus ammo and anything over 300 yards is long range? The targets I see on a normal Sunday afternoon at the range kinda makes me think a lot of guys haven't got 100 yard shooting figured out yet. Anyway, maybe we should quantify what we mean, when we say long range.

[Ahhnother8]

308 is an absolute minimum round to get out to 1k consistently.
It'll do it, but only just.

Jeez, I hope not!! There will be hundreds of us in Raton, New Mexico next week shooting .308's at 1,000 yards. Many will score better than those shooting hot-rod calibers.

[CobraRed]

Jeez, I hope not!! There will be hundreds of us in Raton, New Mexico next week shooting .308's at 1,000 yards. Many will score better than those shooting hot-rod calibers.

Great drivers win in slower cars all the time, doesn't make a slower car better suited for the job.

That said I heart my .308

[omnitravis]

Honestly, 1000 yards is hard for me to imagine. The range I frequent only goes out to 400, I believe(Laguna Seca, someone please correct me, I know I am wrong).

That is some impressive shooting, I would have to use a scope, and then probably still miss.

[CobraRed]

Honestly, 1000 yards is hard for me to imagine. The range I frequent only goes out to 400, I believe(Laguna Seca, someone please correct me, I know I am wrong).

That is some impressive shooting, I would have to use a scope, and then probably still miss.

It's far. When I was setting up this stand it took a bit on the phone to even get the person at our vantage to find me much less the stand, much less the target - which is easyish to find with a scope in the morning when the sun is lateral to it and much harder later when it's not illuminated. Then you get two different cross winds from the two canyons you're shooting through. Nothing like shooting at the 550y mark from that same vantage.

[MakeYaBootyBurn]

damn where is that at?! Cobra Red

[John Walker]

Honestly, 1000 yards is hard for me to imagine. The range I frequent only goes out to 400, I believe(Laguna Seca, someone please correct me, I know I am wrong).

That is some impressive shooting, I would have to use a scope, and then probably still miss.

It might take a little more than just a scope. I suggest a good Precision Long Range Rifle Instructor and some self study. I just completed a one on one course a little over a week ago at Wes Thompsons Piru Gun Range. On day one, using a M700 with a 20" barrel, I was able to hit targets all the way out to 960 yards in up to a 15 mph wind. On day two all the way out to 1000 yards in less than 4 mph breeze.

My instructor taught me how to use ballistic data combined with atmospheric data to dial in my scope in order to hit these targets. He slao taught a lot more. I doubt that I could have done this without this education even if my equipment was bad ***.

The equipment I used was:

M700 SPS-AAC 20"
Karsten cheek piece
Weaver 20 MOA base
Badger scope rings
Leupold 4.5X14X50
Harris bipod
Shooting mat
Kestral NV 4500
iPad with iBallistic software
Black Hills 168gr match ammo (day one)
Pri PArtizan 168gr match ammo (day two)
Awesome Instructor w/Spotting Scope from TASC

[MakeYaBootyBurn]

It might take a little more than just a scope. I suggest a good Precision Long Range Rifle Instructor and some self study. I just completed a one on one course a little over a week ago at Wes Thompsons Piru Gun Range. On day one, using a M700 with a 20" barrel, I was able to hit targets all the way out to 960 yards in up to a 15 mph wind. On day two all the way out to 1000 yards in less than 4 mph breeze.

My instructor taught me how to use ballistic data combined with atmospheric data to dial in my scope in order to hit these targets. He slao taught a lot more. I doubt that I could have done this without this education even if my equipment was bad ***.

The equipment I used was:

M700 SPS-AAC 20"
Karsten cheek piece
Weaver 20 MOA base
Badger scope rings
Leupold 4.5X14X50
Harris bipod
Shooting mat
Kestral NV 4500
iPad with iBallistic software
Black Hills 168gr match ammo (day one)
Pri PArtizan 168gr match ammo (day two)
Awesome Instructor w/Spotting Scope from TASC

where was the class?

[ar15barrels]

IAnyway, maybe we should quantify what we mean, when we say long range.

I always make a point to quantify short range, intermediate range and long range by saying that short rsnge is 200yds and closer, intermediate range is beyond 200yds all the way to 600yds and then long range is beyond 600yds.

[ar15barrels]

where was the class?

It said right in his post that it was at Piru...

[mattt]

I am with Ahhnother 8 . My savage 308 works better for me then my f/open rifles in competitions. Some indians need a better arrow some dont

[John Walker]

Yes, the class was at Piru. My instructor was Scott Olson with the Academy of Saint Crispian. Each day we would quantify each line from 100 yards on out. And then work our way from 1000 back to 100. On day one, I was shooting a 1.0+ moa at 100 yards. On day two I was able to get in under a .5 moa. Remediation surely helped but Scott assistance in technique was the true deciding factor. Fun stuff.

[high_revs]

Honestly, 1000 yards is hard for me to imagine. The range I frequent only goes out to 400, I believe(Laguna Seca, someone please correct me, I know I am wrong).

That is some impressive shooting, I would have to use a scope, and then probably still miss.

It's far. When I was setting up this stand it took a bit on the phone to even get the person at our vantage to find me much less the stand, much less the target - which is easyish to find with a scope in the morning when the sun is lateral to it and much harder later when it's not illuminated. Then you get two different cross winds from the two canyons you're shooting through. Nothing like shooting at the 550y mark from that same vantage.

here's another view of 1k (i believe) @ sac valley from the clinic held this past May. provided by another member who took some pics that day.