confused about long range shooting

[MakeYaBootyBurn]

I've read a couple of comments on here that say that thee Remington 700 sps tactical isn't a good option for long distance shooting.

However at my local range I've seen people hit steel at 600 yards with an 16" AR-15. ?!
yet a 20" bull barrel .308 is only good for 300 yards?!

can someone please explain? im really interested in the Ruger scout SS because it's an 18" barrel. or even the Remington 700 SPS tac. (more of an affordable option)

I didn't ask to start fights so please be civil. thanks.

[U5512]

I've read a couple of comments on here that say that thee Remington 700 sps tactical isn't a good option for long distance shooting.

Those comments must came from those who never owned / shot a Remington 700 SPS Tactical.

[lost puppy]

that rem is a very accurate rifle. however, I like a 22 or 24 " barrel for my long range stuff.

[ar15barrels]

"Long range" is beyond 600yds.
"Intermediate range" is 200yds to 600yds.
"Short range" is inside of 200yds.

For precision (1 moa and smaller) targets,
A 20" 308 is ok for intermediate range.
A 26" barrel is better at 400yds and beyond.
A 26" barrel is way better than a 20" barrel for long range use.

[MakeYaBootyBurn]

26" ? damn! why does the Mosin suck so much on 28"?!
kidding
can you get good performance from 24"? or 22"?

[rero360]

I've taken my .308 out to 1005 meters with a 22" Hart barrel on it with decent results, could have been better, I'll blame the misses to my inexperience at the time both with the distance and the wind. With the training and range time I have received since then, I feel a lot more confident at distance.

I do believe ar15barrels was there for that shoot, spring 2010, up near Edwards. Hows the back doing brother? Hope you are healing up quickly.

[mixicus]

Define your needs/wants then you'll get more applicable answers. Are you talking long range plinking? Entry level competitons (if so which)? Do you/will you reload? What are your expectations?

You mention 'hitting steel' at 600 with an AR. Well how big is that steel? A 4MOA plate at 600 yards with a scoped AR, good ammo and rested/supported isn't that special in a competition mind set. That same AR won't necessarily be banging a 1-2 MOA target at 600.

A Rem700 in .308 is fine for many things. If you are interested in competition (beyond entry level with a stock rifle), performance in less than ideal conditions and/or spending the majority of rounds at 600+, there are better calibers. However if you don't/won't reload it doesn't make a lot of sense to look at those calibers.

[MakeYaBootyBurn]

Define your needs/wants then you'll get more applicable answers. Are you talking long range plinking? Entry level competitons (if so which)? Do you/will you reload? What are your expectations?

You mention 'hitting steel' at 600 with an AR. Well how big is that steel? A 4MOA plate at 600 yards with a scoped AR, good ammo and rested/supported isn't that special in a competition mind set. That same AR won't necessarily be banging a 1-2 MOA target at 600.

A Rem700 in .308 is fine for many things. If you are interested in competition (beyond entry level with a stock rifle), performance in less than ideal conditions and/or spending the majority of rounds at 600+, there are better calibers. However if you don't/won't reload it doesn't make a lot of sense to look at those calibers.

1 moa at 1000 yards?! or is that a dream

I wouldn't mind reloading. but know nothing about it

turners has a Savage fcp .308 24" barrel. is that good for past 600 yards?

[Mute]

26" ? damn! why does the Mosin suck so much on 28"?!
kidding
can you get good performance from 24"? or 22"?

I've taken 22" and 20" barrels to a 1000 and slightly beyond with consistent results. Granted, these were all match grade barrels, but it is quite possible. The slight loss in velocity compared to a longer barrel can give you some trouble at longer distances but some of that can be overcome by reloading to higher velocities.

As far as the SPS is concerned, it's not a custom gun but I can't imagine that it won't give you good results even to 600 yards. Every SPS that I've ever shot has been at least sub MOA which is more than good enough for hitting man sized targets assuming your marksmanship skills are up to task.

[milotrain]

The slight loss in velocity compared to a longer barrel can give you some trouble at longer distances but some of that can be overcome by reloading to higher velocities.

THE trick to consistency at long range with any barrel is figuring out how to keep the bullet transonic past the target. If you can get a bullet flying out the end of the muzzle fast enough to do that then it doesn't matter what the length is. However, we are all limited by physics and chemistry, so longer barrels are a nice solution to the problem.

[Ahhnother8]

However, we are all limited by physics and chemistry, so longer barrels are an EASY solution to the problem.

Gyroscopic stability is also critical.

[russ69]

"Long range" is beyond 600yds.
"Intermediate range" is 200yds to 600yds.
"Short range" is inside of 200yds...

Randall,

Official NRA target shooting has mid range at 600 yards and long range is 800, 900 and 1000 yards. That's the definition I use so I conform to national shooting organization terminology.

[MakeYaBootyBurn]

I guess I have a lot to learn

[anti]

Randall,

Official NRA target shooting has mid range at 600 yards and long range is 800, 900 and 1000 yards. That's the definition I use so I conform to national shooting organization terminology.

Jesus, and I thought it was a challenge hitting the 300m target during BRM... then again we used irons, of course!

[Mr Blu]

I own a Remington SPS Tactical 308cal and what sold me on it was this video.
They guys in the video take every precaution to make sure the video is legit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xesBYKRzqew

I was already looking at it because of it's specs : 308cal, heavy barrel, Remi 700 action.