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  • nic
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 1289

    Savage Kaboom at Angeles

    Hi all,
    I was at the Angeles rifle range this morning with my shooting partner. The line had been open for all of ten minutes when a shooter about 30 feet away from us suffered a catastrophic detonation of his rifle, a Savage in 6.5 Creedmoor. I do not know the model. Fortunately for the shooter, he suffered a relatively minor cut to his hand and some cuts to his face, but he was wearing eye pro and was not more seriously injured. Several people were struck with debris from his rifle but none were injured. Some of the debris landed next to my buddy and me. The shooter was using handloads, but could not recall his load - he didn't have it written down and was pretty shaken up by the whole affair.

    I have been trying to figure out what would cause the rifle to fail in this way. The bore was completely clear, but the barrel was launched about ten feet ahead of his bench. The cartridge case was welded into the chamber but the case head was nowhere to be found. The stock was shattered into many pieces and flung in as many directions. Receiver a total loss. All I can think of is that he used the wrong kind of powder in his handloads (i.e. pistol powder in a rifle case).

    I started a thread on Sniper's Hide about it, and posted some photos I took of the rifle's remains, which you can see here:



    Scary moment for sure.
    Reminder -
    Always wear your eye protection. Use extreme caution when handloading.
  • #2
    AGGRO
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 2793

    Damn, that's scary. Had to be pistol powder or an obstruction. Savage has a strong action.

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    • #3
      Manofmayhem
      Member
      • Dec 2018
      • 169

      Had to be a squib. How do you know the bore was clear? My guess is a round lacked powder, the primer pushed the bullet a few inches, and the following round went boom.

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      • #4
        GI Combat
        Member
        • Oct 2013
        • 203

        Good thing, he only had some minor cuts. It could’ve been a lot worse for him.

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        • #5
          nic
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2006
          • 1289

          @Manofmayhem

          Not 100% sure it wasn't a squib, however - when the RO retrieved the barrel from 10 feet downrange, it was pretty much entirely intact. I imagine with a squib that the barrel would have been bulged, burst, etc.

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          • #6
            Manofmayhem
            Member
            • Dec 2018
            • 169

            Originally posted by nic
            @Manofmayhem



            Not 100% sure it wasn't a squib, however - when the RO retrieved the barrel from 10 feet downrange, it was pretty much entirely intact. I imagine with a squib that the barrel would have been bulged, burst, etc.
            I wonder if the barrel is strong enough to withstand that pressure and it all blew backward.

            ETA: Given his lack of knowledge regarding what load he used it is very possible he used an entirely incorrect powder like you mentioned. I'm glad no one was seriously injured!
            Last edited by Manofmayhem; 04-17-2023, 6:46 PM.

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            • #7
              sigstroker
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2009
              • 19687

              Looks like an Axis.

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              • #8
                kendog4570
                Calguns Addict
                • Dec 2008
                • 5180

                Originally posted by nic
                ....The shooter was using handloads,....

                Stop right there.




                Originally posted by nic
                ....but could not recall his load - he didn't have it written down ....

                Heard that before.

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                • #9
                  bigbossman
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 11153

                  If you're using a proper powder for 6.5CM, is it even possible to overcharge to the extent that you get a violent event like that?

                  I'm guessing pistol/shotgun powder.......
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                  • #10
                    divingin
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jul 2015
                    • 2522

                    Originally posted by bigbossman
                    If you're using a proper powder for 6.5CM, is it even possible to overcharge to the extent that you get a violent event like that?

                    I'm guessing pistol/shotgun powder.......
                    I believe your suspicions are on the money.

                    A guy I know blew up his AR-15 in a similar manner, and swears he was using his normal 223 powder. I can't see that. Not enough capacity to get that much pressure, and since it was his first shot of the day, a squib was highly unlikely. Had to be pistol powder. Unfortunately, he wouldn't surrender any remaining loads for inspection, and has remained silent on anything further that he may have found.

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                    • #11
                      TAS
                      Probationary Member
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 1267

                      So many questions. Why doesn’t he have the load data with the ammo? Who does this? Was this the first round fired? What reloading experience do they have? What was their setup? Why are there two cases in the box without primers? I see numerous spent cases so how did they do?
                      NRA Life Member

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                      • #12
                        THBailey
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 737

                        The one photo showing the ammunition box has a number of fired brass. None of the spent primers appear to show over pressure sign?
                        THBailey


                        As Will Rogers once said:
                        "Everyone is ignorant, only in different subjects."

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                        • #13
                          sealocan
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 9950

                          Trying to find a bright side....

                          If that Nikon scope still worked

                          Nikon could use the whole story in in one of their future advertisements.



                          But seriously, I'm glad everyone was okay and that no one was seriously hurt regardless of how it happened, which of course should be investigated to try to 100% determine the cause.

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                          • #14
                            AdamVIP
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 603

                            I'm not actively loading rifle cartridges yet but I feel compelled to write for pistol loads only on all my powder now.

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                            • #15
                              AdamVIP
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 603

                              Originally posted by THBailey
                              The one photo showing the ammunition box has a number of fired brass. None of the spent primers appear to show over pressure sign?
                              There are two missing primers though.

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