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  • Fireguy
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 635

    difference between pre 64 and post 64 Model 94

    What is the difference between pre 64 and post 64 Winchester model 94?

    I know one was made in the USA and the other in Japan.
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    Isacpotatoes
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2017
    • 42

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      golfish
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Mar 2013
      • 10127

      From what I can recall (not a lot) they went cheap on the reciever metal.
      It takes a lot of balls to play golf the way I do.
      Happiness is a warm gun.

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        M1NM
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2011
        • 7966

        That was their bolt guns. The 94 was lowered in build quality and bluing methods to make manufacturing cheaper.

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          ojisan
          Agent 86
          CGN Contributor
          • Apr 2008
          • 11782

          This refers to Win 70 bolt action rifles, not the 94 lever action.

          The post 64 lever action had a number of changes, including sheet metal pressings for some internal parts instead of cast / forged & machined parts.
          For example, the post-64 has a stamped shell lifter.

          Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
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          • #6
            MongooseV8
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 4426

            The early post 64 94 had some cheapy parts and bluing. Everyone hated them so Winchester changed them a few years after. Then in the 90s? They went to the angle ejects.

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            • #7
              Calif Hunter
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2003
              • 3326

              I have a Model 94 made in 1974 or 75. It does not seem that different, other than finish of both metal and wood, than my 1949 Model 94. Both are pretty smooth and reliable.

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              • #8
                Isacpotatoes
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2017
                • 42

                Originally posted by ojisan
                This refers to Win 70 bolt action rifles, not the 94 lever action.

                The post 64 lever action had a number of changes, including sheet metal pressings for some internal parts instead of cast / forged & machined parts.
                For example, the post-64 has a stamped shell lifter.

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                • #9
                  'ol shooter
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 4646

                  I have a later 70's model 94, the receiver does not take blue well and turns red. My 1951 still has a beautiful blue on the receiver and other metal parts. My two are both top eject and are controlled feed, the rim rises up under the extractor. I do not know if the side eject is or not.
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                  • #10
                    870classic
                    Member
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 460

                    Good evening,
                    I just went through this with a few friends about the difference on the pre-64/post-63 Winchester model 94. The link below will below describe the changes between pre-64 and post-64 for the model 94.



                    The most notable change between my 1894 (1897 vintage) and my 94 (1992 vintage) is the cartridge lifter. The 94 has a cast aluminum part and the 1894 is a machined steel part.

                    Best regards,
                    870classic.

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                    • #11
                      kendog4570
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 5180

                      The main difference is the change in receiver material to a graphitic cast steel instead of a forging or billet. The cast receivers will not blue with standard black oxide and required iron plating so the hot dip blue would take. They changed back to alloy steel sometime in the late 70's or 80's. The change in receiver contour polishing was gradual from the mid or late 50's to 64. The contours on pre war guns were quite graceful, 64's resembled a block of cheese. Many changes were gradual, such as coil mainsprings, cheaper and cheaper wood, rougher metal finishes, roll pins, etc. It didn't happen all at once.

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                      • #12
                        NapalmCheese
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 5959

                        Another difference would be moving to stamped parts instead of forged. The post 64 Winchester are often rattle traps, the pre-64s less so.

                        Functionally they're mostly fine, aesthetically not so much.

                        Originally posted by kendog4570
                        The main difference is the change in receiver material to a graphitic cast steel instead of a forging or billet. The cast receivers will not blue with standard black oxide and required iron plating so the hot dip blue would take. They changed back to alloy steel sometime in the late 70's or 80's. The change in receiver contour polishing was gradual from the mid or late 50's to 64. The contours on pre war guns were quite graceful, 64's resembled a block of cheese. Many changes were gradual, such as coil mainsprings, cheaper and cheaper wood, rougher metal finishes, roll pins, etc. It didn't happen all at once.
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                        • #13
                          Killer Bee
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 2199

                          Originally posted by Fireguy
                          What is the difference between pre 64 and post 64 Winchester model 94?

                          I know one was made in the USA and the other in Japan.
                          sale of Winchester brand and manufacturing move to Miroku was much later, good read on that subject..

                          When and why did production of Winchester's historic designs move to Japan?

                          also important to note Browning manufacturing move of some models / grades to Miroku prior to Winchester as they are now in the same group..

                          Where are Browning firearms manufactured?
                          I started out with nothing - and I still have most of it

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                            Beetle Bailey
                            Veteran Member
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 2620

                            Warning: the camera work is terrible in spots and he does use a bit of colorful language.

                            "All bad precedents began as justifiable measures." Julius Caesar

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                            • #15
                              kendog4570
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 5180

                              Originally posted by Beetle Bailey
                              Warning: the camera work is terrible in spots and he does use a bit of colorful language.


                              Lots of information in this. Too bad it ain't all true. 92's "stronger" than a 94??? If you designed a 92 to handle the pressures and length of a smokless 30WCF you would have an ....86?

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