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  • #16
    diver160651
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 1764

    Masterpiece Arms

    Originally posted by sigstroker
    Oh, I see. You were doing the "trainer" concept, except taken to the extreme instead of using a .223. Yeah, when you're trying to replicate something that has a chassis that runs $900 just by itself, you're not getting off cheap.
    Yes, but in reality, a 22 pays for itself quickly shooting 2k 22LR Match ammo, saving about $2,200 over 6.5 and about $1,500 over the .223; with .223 only saving maybe $700 over a 6.5. Plus it lets one have much greater reduced range simulation.


    Edited to add- A bit off topic, but I figure I should add to the above, BEFORE someone starts flaming me for my math.

    I sold my 223 trainers as I needed almost about as much distance at max simulated ranges, maybe 900 with the 223, vrs a 1200yrd max match distance to get the wind to work me off target the same. I was NOT saving real money over a 6mm or 6.5. I think we are seeing a lot of people doing this. The cool thing about the Vudoo over the other 22 offerings, is you could conceivably switch a barreled action back and forth in your 700 foot print and the extra mags fit in the same AICS mag pouches with the actual mag change being the same speed.

    Before anyone says 223 is cheap to shoot, let me clarify why it is a concern and give an example. While I have a Dillion 650 and several hand presses, it has become impossible for me to keep up with TWO shooters, hand-loading as much as 1300 precision rifle rounds rounds from a single stage in a big month; so I have been shooting solely factory rounds.

    In order to do the above, you need match quality 223 ammo and that runs about .90 per round; vrs 1.25 round. It makes no sense to use 1-2MOA 223 ammo if your practicing positional shooting, learning to control the "wobble" and wind offsets.

    As a round count example, I'll shoot two matches next month with 2 shooters. Travel, accommodations and entry will run me about $3,000, plus about 850 rounds + 250pistol, give or take.. Lets say we'll shoot a couple of days in between for practice. This for 2, might be 200-400 rounds. But I'd be tempted to cut it way back because the month does already has 2 matches. So about $4,500 spend is what it will be. If I flipped out the 6.5 for .223 for the training, I would save $70 -$140. In the scheme of things, just not worth it. (other than saving a bit of barrel)

    Now, with the 22LR I can get SK Match ammo for .15rnd and can add in one 100rnd 22NRL match and practice at super short ranges with the wind absolutely kicking my butt, for $75 vrs $625.00. We still need to practice the recoil management, but not as much.

    I started with a MarkII accurate but the ergonomics we not great. Bought the Ruger RPR-rimfire with expectations of getting two, but keeping the MKII, only could afford 1 Vudoo so my son looses out and is shooting the MKII.
    Last edited by diver160651; 04-28-2018, 12:21 PM.
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    D.I.Y. Barricade simulator using RRS tripod.

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    • #17
      sigstroker
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2009
      • 19787

      Yes, I get it. As I said, you're not getting off cheap. CheapER, but not cheap.

      If someone could make a sub-caliber conversion that goes into your regular rifle, they could easily sell it for a thousand bucks and people would pay it.

      Actually, there are even cheaper alternatives, although this one costs two grand without scope. Some air guns get up over double that.

      Last edited by sigstroker; 04-28-2018, 6:48 PM.

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      • #18
        diver160651
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2012
        • 1764

        Originally posted by sigstroker
        Yes, I get it. As I said, you're not getting off cheap. CheapER, but not cheap.

        If someone could make a sub-caliber conversion that goes into your regular rifle, they could easily sell it for a thousand bucks and people would pay it.

        Actually, there are even cheaper alternatives, although this one costs two grand without scope. Some air guns get up over double that.

        D.I.Y. a Target Cam for ELR
        NOTE: images not all working correctly due to limitations on the site

        D.I.Y. Barricade simulator using RRS tripod.

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