Chassis vs. Stock

[LynnJr]

You don't have to discredit anybody.

The most accurate guns on the planet don't use chassis and everyone in the shooting industry is well aware of that.

They are aware of it because Google doesn't have an opinion or get its feelings hurt it just gives us the facts.

If all your after is a good shooting rifle capable of half inch groups a chassis will get you there.

It doesn't matter if aluminum or epoxy is stronger than the other it just matters that nothing is bent or stressed when shooting.

Some of the world's most accurate guns are glued into the stock and don't have any action screws at all.

Next we have barrel blocks where the gun doesn't even have a recoil lug.

And nothing on the action touches anything and again no action screws at all.

The picture is of a nine inch barrel blocked gun with no action screws and no recoil lug.

The barrel block is epoxy bedded.

[diver160651]

They are aware of it because Google doesn't have an opinion or get its feelings hurt it just gives us the facts.

Ok Lynn, now I am worried, LOL..

Google, Youtube and Facebook all steer the answers..


Anyway, point and well taken, just wanted vent about the social media stuff.

[LynnJr]

Diver
I don't Facebook or Twitter but I can type in world's smallest 5 shot group at 100,200,300,600,1000 yards or 10 shot group or 30 shot group and get the answer.

[diver160651]

Diver

I don't Facebook or Twitter but I can type in world's smallest 5 shot group at 100,200,300,600,1000 yards or 10 shot group or 30 shot group and get the answer.

[BarrettM99]

This is an interesting topic. I have always thought that the advantage to running a chassis as opposed to a stock was to have the ability to maximize the points of adjustment necessary to make the rifle better fit the shooter...thereby allowing him to maximize his accuracy. Maximum fit and comfort = maximum accuracy with a wel trained marksman. .

[LynnJr]

BarrettM99
If you look back into the past you will see that position rifles kneeling standing sitting prone have always been very adjustable. I bought a Anschutz 2013 just because it was the coolest looking rifle of its time.
The modern day chassis is a way of getting all that adjustability while using CNC equipment to mass produce it.
For PRS type matches and positional shooting the adjustability is a huge plus.

If your after pure accuracy or the smallest group possible the typical chassis doesn't cut it. There have been skeleton type stocks used to shoot some very small groups but there main purpose was to save weight and you rarely see them in the winner's circle.

A Chassis in my opinion should be bedded to rid the shooting platform of unwanted stress and it should be extremely stiff. The bedding should be an easy thing to do the stiffness might make the chassis less pleasant to look at which is a huge selling point.

I like great shooting rifles regardless of how they look and great looking women regardless of how they shoot.

[mjmagee67]

Chassis are tactical and we all know tactical is in. If you suck with a stock you are going to suck with a chassis.............I prefer stocks but I'm nobody.

[MongooseV8]

I own a bunch of both. I like both for different reasons. I usually end up bedding at least the recoil lug in both. Both shoot great.

My experience has been the choice is almost entirely a preference. I prefer a stock>chassis but both live in my safe.

[RyanH.]

im not trying to be a dick or a smart *** in anyway but i am wondering who you are?
you say you work closely with guys that compete regularly? would it be guys in PRS?
maybe guys that we would know? or just guys local to your area?

im not trying to discredit him....ive learned over the years to be careful what you say because you never know who your talking to but when you come in after 2 posts seemingly to know more then just about anyone here it just gets me wondering who you are...especially when you say you only have 2 events lined up the entire year.

*****...im no body and ive already shot out a 6.5x47 barrel since 12-18-17...just spun on the new one and have 2 matches this weekend with no data shooting a new contour and bullet.

it has been awhile...hows things?

Chassis are tactical and we all know tactical is in. If you suck with a stock you are going to suck with a chassis.............I prefer stocks but I'm nobody.

Yes, sorry, I look back and my short form answers and they did seem a little... abrupt. I was just trying to throw some different ideas and questions out to help spark some thought. I can see how what I said might come across as a bit... phallic. To the shooting world, I am a no body. I just feel that I have some knowledge that others might not have and would love to share it, spark some debate and maybe explain why chassis aren't all that much of a dark art.

sooo...
Hello and good day, my name is Ryan and I am a customer support agent at MDT. So the majority of the shooters I work with are PRS and there are a few guys playing around with F Class with the TAC21 mainly. I handle and answer questions on chassis all day Monday to Friday and usually on the weekends too.

https://mdttac.ca/blogs/team-bios/ryan-holmquist

I would love to get into more organized events but with a 1-year-old and 3-year-old my range time has dropped considerably, shooting is very important to me but family trumps everything else in my life.

So out of the box, a fibreglass stock compared to a chassis, a chassis should be more accurate/repeatable based on stability and how rigid it is. The other thing to consider about repeatability is full flex under recoil and how the buttstock can twist and move and collapse a bit with recoil compared to a solid aluminium chassis and buttstock.

As for "accuracy" everyone has their own idea of what that means based on their discipline that they shoot. I know it's hard to throw examples out there on records chassis rifles hold compared to other stock options but the first thing that pops into my mind is that currently, the longest recorded kill in action is from a chassis rifle shot by a Canadian at 3,540m (3,871yards).

And yes, chassis are "tactical" but again depending on what you consider tactical as most scoped rifles from previous wars and what SWAT teams all had were just regular stocked scoped bolt action rifles. Then they learned that when you're going to be behind it for possibly hours on end, you need comfort and ergonomics that chassis excel at over traditional stocks. Everyone seems to like tactical, look at your picture, those look like some very "tactical" CZ pistols...

[ar15barrels]

So out of the box, a fibreglass stock compared to a chassis, a chassis should be more accurate/repeatable based on stability and how rigid it is.

That has not been my experience.
Fiberglass stocks almost universally come with aluminum pillars in them and the aluminum pillars support the action better than V blocks in almost all cases.

My complaint with V blocks is that the tangs are not supported BEHIND the rear action screw and this causes the reciever to be put int a banna shaped twist as the rear action screw is tightened.
The nature of a round bottom and a V block where the sides of the round action are being supported makes it so you can NOT support the tang behind the action screw.
The only V block chassis I have seen with proper support behind the tang is the Masterpiece Arms.

[longrange1]

nice to meet/talk to you Ryan and this is exactly why i asked who you were before i started running my mouth...as it turns out you have probably forgotten more about chassis then most of us will ever know LOL.

[RyanH.]

That has not been my experience.
Fiberglass stocks almost universally come with aluminum pillars in them and the aluminum pillars support the action better than V blocks in almost all cases.

My complaint with V blocks is that the tangs are not supported BEHIND the rear action screw and this causes the reciever to be put int a banna shaped twist as the rear action screw is tightened.
The nature of a round bottom and a V block where the sides of the round action are being supported makes it so you can NOT support the tang behind the action screw.
The only V block chassis I have seen with proper support behind the tang is the Masterpiece Arms.

It all depends on the action, there is different placement of action screws which can cause issues. If you by chance have something like a Remington 700 where there is a rear action screw in the rear tang itself, on an MDT chassis there will be V-Block bedding there. Where ever force is applied, there is bedding to support that force. If you have an action like a Ruger American where the rear action screw is in front of the trigger that could lead to a banana effect you're referring to having support in one place and then force applied elsewhere.

[RyanH.]

nice to meet/talk to you Ryan and this is exactly why i asked who you were before i started running my mouth...as it turns out you have probably forgotten more about chassis then most of us will ever know LOL.

Always nice meeting new people!
That's why in my down time I search the internet so I can learn about different shooting styles, what works, what doesn't work, how that can transfer to different styles of shooting, what peoples beliefs are about the different techniques used.
Then, of course, try to help dispell some myths about chassis when they come up.

[ar15barrels]

It all depends on the action, there is different placement of action screws which can cause issues. If you by chance have something like a Remington 700 where there is a rear action screw in the rear tang itself, on an MDT chassis there will be V-Block bedding there. Where ever force is applied, there is bedding to support that force. If you have an action like a Ruger American where the rear action screw is in front of the trigger that could lead to a banana effect you're referring to having support in one place and then force applied elsewhere.

What would you consider the most popular action footprint in say PRS, NRL and F class competition?

[OpenSightsOnly]

The most accurate guns on the planet don't use chassis and everyone in the shooting industry is well aware of that.

Depends on the shooting discipline.

Some folks shoot conventional prone (NRA highpower rifle) while others do F-class, PRS, or Benchrest. Each discipline has its own tools for the game.