New to precision target shooting.

[Jta]

Somthing along the lines of this

[LynnJr]

OP
Are you shooting your groups off of a bench?
Are you using a bi-pod?
Front rest rear bag?
Two bags?
One bag?
Rolled up coat?
What magnification is your scope?
What weight of pull is the trigger?
If a bench is it solid or wobbly?
Horizontal stringing out of a good gun is the shooter and vertical stringing is the load.

Looking at your pictures and ASSUMING the gun is perfect your not getting the shots off at the same point of aim. It could be flinching to high of a trigger pull weight a low magnification scope or one with too heavy of a reticle.
Give us some more details about the gun and the setup and we can help you tighten those groups.

[Kwikvette]

As you work up a ladder the poi moves. Well for me it does. It will move out of a 3 moa target at some point. I know it’s not where it hits but how well it groups. For me it’s easier to see that it’s always on the sticky that I put on.

It can’t be me as a bad shot as the groups are good. Just that it all shifts up sometimes. Wouldn’t be the scope as it wouldn’t group so well

Your question is specific to reloading.

The OP's question was specific to fliers, and trying to examine the cause.

If you're reloading, different charges will yield a different point of impact but only slightly. Less charge should give you a higher POI versus a ladder with a higher charge.

In these instances, I do not adjust my scope since the group will only be an inch higher than my POA. Once I find the right load, then I adjust my scope and begin to mess with seating depth.

[Kwikvette]

By the way, here's another great source. They've got some targets you can print up as well - http://www.accurateshooter.com/shooting-skills/targets/

[LynnJr]

The easiest and cheapest target is plain white copy paper with a magic marker put a dot on it big enough so you can barely see it.
With typical hunting scopes with those huge thick duplex reticles it is extremely easy to get what Randall has shown.

[dk94044]

are you using a heavy barrel? it not try waiting 3-4 min between rounds to let the barrel cool off, or using a hand held battery powered mini fan to hasten barrel cool.

[NorCalFocus]

The easiest and cheapest target is plain white copy paper with a magic marker for on it big enough so you can barely see it.
With typical hunting scopes with those huge thick duplex reticles it is extremely easy to get what Randall has shown.

Off white paper works better for bright sunny days. Your eyes won't strain as much due to the lower reflection.

[boyguan]

Your question is specific to reloading.

The OP's question was specific to fliers, and trying to examine the cause.

If you're reloading, different charges will yield a different point of impact but only slightly. Less charge should give you a higher POI versus a ladder with a higher charge.

In these instances, I do not adjust my scope since the group will only be an inch higher than my POA. Once I find the right load, then I adjust my scope and begin to mess with seating depth.

[Kwikvette]

Sorry. Getting off topic

Have you shot a 5 shot group that was split 3 touching and 2 touching another spot?

Sometimes I think it’s just the load as I don’t seperate my brass by weight or my pills.

If yours is just the last shot try what others have said and don’t look at the group till your done. This might require backing off magnification but I have noticed this has helped my groups this weekend

I have, and I've also had the first shot be slightly off only to have the other 4 on top of each other. If I counted only 4 shots, on several occasions, I'd have many groups at less than 1/4 moa@100 yards.

A lot of this is shooter induced; I won't claim I'm a good shooter but I get complimented quite often in person and I still believe that any flier(s) are my fault. Even a factory is better than most behind its trigger.

I've seen bench rest guys wait before they even load a round after having shot one in order to not have the next round 'warm up' as much.

If you're in the bay area, I welcome you to come out and shoot some rounds with me and a few others

[jimmykan]

I have attached the diamond target that I use to shoot groups and zero loads. I made it for myself in Adobe Illustrator.

When printed without scaling, each diamond measures 92 mm x 92 mm.

At 100 yards, each grid square subtends 0.1 MRAD or one click on most "mil" type scope turrets. At 200 yards each grid square is 0.05 MRAD.



Check out this 200 yard group I shot the other day, it measured less than .1 MRAD, about 0.25 MOA.

Randall chambered and fit the barrel using a reamer that I rented.

Bartlein Heavy Palma 26", 1-7.5" twist, 6mm x 47 Lapua
APA Little Bastard brake

105 Berger Hybrid, HBN tumbled
36 grains Varget
S&B small rifle primer

Everything you do has to be consistent and repeatable.

This Primal Rights guy has a lot of good articles on shooting technique.

https://www.primalrights.com/library/articles/precision-rifle-marksmanship-grip-technique

[jimmykan]

Randall once told me that split groups can be caused by the front scope base screw coming in contact with the threads of your barrel tenon.

I forget how it causes two distinct POIs, maybe he can chime in on that.

[wpage]

US army, marines and NRA have guide for expert guide.

[Jta]

I always thought that two different groups was the result of changing position behind the rifle. I could be wrong tho

[boyguan]

I always thought that two different groups was the result of changing position behind the rifle. I could be wrong tho

This makes sense. I do move once I shoot.

[7.62user]

Wow, I learned a lot! My technique is all wrong. I had my buddy try it and he did one small tight group after getting used to the gun.
It's a 6.5 creedmoor varmint barrel in 700 action. Harris bi-pod, shooting of a solid bench and rear bag. Still getting used to bi-pod, always used front bag before. Calvin Elite trigger at 10 oz. Kind of cheeped out on a scope, it's a Viper HS LR 4-16X44. Set at max magnification at 100 yards. Waiting on tax return to get a better scope for about $1500 and bi-pod.
I'm kind of embarrassed now. You guys can tell a lot from looking at the target. Thank you.