Rem 700 Six Five Questions and Help (learn me something)

[LynnJr]

If you will be shooting from a bench I would not get a Giraud trimmer or a 550 press.
I would get a Wilson trimmer and a single stage press.
I also wouldn't use any of the spray on lubes.
I would use Imperial Sizing die wax
For dies I would use the Redding type S bushing die and the competition seater.

On the flat bottom stock you want the forend flat on the bottom. If the rules allow it the buttstock can be flat as well. If there are no rules you want them both flat and parallel and perpendicular to each other for best tracking in your rest.

[sigstroker]

Hornady has a cool new single stage called the Iron press. If you want to get really serious look at a Forster Co-ax.

[roostersgt]

Operable phrase here....."might not be doing so."

In my experience, there is a lot of that going on. I find it curious to watch guys shoot high dollar custom builds at short range (100 yards) and do so with 3 or 5 shot groups, lots of them, maybe 15 or 20 groups, then point at the one or two that are sub MOA, while ignoring the 18 groups that are 1.5 MOA. I would say the same about mid range distance (600 yards) but I see so few guys actually practicing for groups on paper (lots of plate ringing) at 600 that it would be difficult to find an example, other than match shooters or very serious marksman who are practicing honing their skills for an upcoming match. At 1000 yards, I can count on one hand the guys who are truly shooting (or practicing) for record. And then there are the "oh that was just a sighter" mid string. so yea, might not be doing so is pretty much my default expectation, and I'm talking minimum 10 shot strings with 20 shot strings being the standard, at least in F-class and HP.

Now this paragraph most describes what I do. I have shot many many different loads and get all kinds of groups. I compile an average from ALL of the groups shot with the best load to determine MOA. Can't say I own any true sub-MOA rifles, as some of the groups go a bit larger in my strings, especially with the occasional flier. If I were to cherry pick and chose, almost all of my rifles would be close to "sub-MOA", at least once.

[Shootin25]

Really appreciate all this feedback.

Any of ya’ll ever need Skeet lessons, feel free to reach out to me!

[diver160651]

Rem 700 Six Five Questions and Help (learn me something)

If you will be shooting from a bench I would not get a Giraud trimmer or a 550 press.

I would get a Wilson trimmer and a single stage press.

I also wouldn't use any of the spray on lubes.

I would use Imperial Sizing die wax

For dies I would use the Redding type S bushing die and the competition seater.



On the flat bottom stock you want the forend flat on the bottom. If the rules allow it the buttstock can be flat as well. If there are no rules you want them both flat and parallel and perpendicular to each other for best tracking in your rest.

https://youtu.be/yYK_dcSAAio

Please forgive the video it was just meant to share between my buddy and I- It was kinda timely as I just did/sent this to him a night ago.

If someone is interested kernal accurate charges and understand the issues with the other electronic stuff on the market (not the Prometheous) you might look up Adam McDonal.

[focus]

My powder charging process is almost the same as diver's video. I just manually throw and trickle. It's like playing blackjack. Instead of counting cards; I count kernels.

But, don't overlook the chamber type seating die diver uses. I cut my own chambers; so, they die and rifle are close to a perfect match.

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Cheers,

[sigstroker]

Don't the electronic scales come with reference weights? Mine did and it shows right on the money. I haven't seen any scales with less than .1 grains precision anyway.

Besides, some people (I am one of them) are of the belief that the volume of powder is more important than the weight. They only use the scale to set a powder measure, then use the measure for all charges.

[diver160651]

Rem 700 Six Five Questions and Help (learn me something)

Don't the electronic scales come with reference weights? Mine did and it shows right on the money. I haven't seen any scales with less than .1 grains precision anyway.



Besides, some people (I am one of them) are of the belief that the volume of powder is more important than the weight. They only use the scale to set a powder measure, then use the measure for all charges.

[bridgeport]

Anyway, this is a long rabbit hole.

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I'm sure many of us could write a book on the subject. so integral is the loading process to high accuracy shooting, that it seems virtually incomprehensible to me to participate in one without the other. Knowing that I have a tray of the best handholds I can produce, with me on the line, puts the onus on me to shoot every one of those loads with the focus and attention to detail that is as much the key to shooting well, as it was to loading.

[JMP]

Folks have turned this into an ammo debate, but I suspect it's a larger issue with conditions than the ammo. A 22" barrel on a 6.5CD is a handicap at the longer distances you describe. If you don't care about weight, I'd go for a longer, heavier barrel. 26-28" work well for the 6.5CD for target shooting.

[diver160651]

Rem 700 Six Five Questions and Help (learn me something)

Folks have turned this into an ammo debate, but I suspect it's a larger issue with conditions than the ammo. A 22" barrel on a 6.5CD is a handicap at the longer distances you describe. If you don't care about weight, I'd go for a longer, heavier barrel. 26-28" work well for the 6.5CD for target shooting.

J- I am not sure it is even debate.. seems like most of us agree. But your point is well taken.

That said, barrel length limiting speed also means the variation in/from internal ballistics, actually can become more important at shorter ranges or slower terminal speed as time and drag increase.

Did that make sense?

Edited to add - I know you know this and just suggesting a different path to attack earlier. I am not disagreeing with your statement.

As you know, precision reloading can be a long road so never to early to start sense he already seems to shoot well.


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[Shootin25]

Folks have turned this into an ammo debate, but I suspect it's a larger issue with conditions than the ammo. A 22" barrel on a 6.5CD is a handicap at the longer distances you describe. If you don't care about weight, I'd go for a longer, heavier barrel. 26-28" work well for the 6.5CD for target shooting.

[Shootin25]

https://youtu.be/yYK_dcSAAio

Please forgive the video it was just meant to share between my buddy and I- It was kinda timely as I just did/sent this to him a night ago.

If someone is interested kernal accurate charges and understand the issues with the other electronic stuff on the market (not the Prometheous) you might look up Adam McDonal.

OMG...

[LynnJr]

With a cheapy RCBS 5-0-5 scale a dime store glass and spoon you can reload world record setting ammunition. The key to world record reloading is in knowing what matters and what is a colossal waste of time.
At our last 2000 yard match my gun was getting 83.3% hits at 2054 yards. I let a first time shooter use it and the hit ratio went up to 85.7%
I will enclose a photo of my powder scale and in my opinion the best powder trickler made is to simply use your thumb and forefinger.

[diver160651]

Rem 700 Six Five Questions and Help (learn me something)

With a cheapy RCBS 5-0-5 scale a dime store glass and spoon you can reload world record setting ammunition. The key to world record reloading is in knowing what matters and what is a colossal waste of time.
At our last 2000 yard match my gun was getting 83.3% hits at 2054 yards. I let a first time shooter use it and the hit ratio went up to 85.7%
I will enclose a photo of my powder scale and in my opinion the best powder trickler made is to simply use your thumb and forefinger.