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  • #91
    milotrain
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 4301

    So you have a few Garands, have you ever shot the JCG course of fire or the XTC highpower course of fire? If you are competing with yourself (which is the right way to go) and you are still getting into wind reading and shooting position properly then you should build a National Match AR and shoot service rifle with the rest of us. There is a HUGE contingent of service rifle shooters in California, some of the best in the country, a lot of free coaching and what you learn with a 223 at 600 yards in the wind is applicable to every sort of long range shooting out there.
    weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
    frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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    • #92
      LynnJr
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2013
      • 7946



      Originally posted by FluorideInMyWater
      i just threw out 1000 yards as a base number. i'd like to be able to to go 1500+ if possible. the person i'd be competing with is me.......at least at this point. i have not given much thought to competitions...i've always been into "individual" sports......running, cycling, weightlifting, archery....where i just try to beat my "personal best". yes i could hit a target at 1000 yards with a garand......which would be cool, but i like new toys too!
      Given all of your criteria and goals a left handed 700 long action with a aftermarket barrel would be my recommendation.
      No factory guns have the right twist rate in the right length and diameter.
      Next I would get a stock that works well off of a sandbag or bipod. The McMillan Tooley MBR or the McMillan Hunter Class stock will both work. One has a 2.815 wide flat forend sometimes referred to as 3 inches wide while the other is roughly 2.125 and referred to as 2.250 wide.
      The advantage to these stocks is the flat forend that tracks well in a bag and doesn't torque so much that getting back on target is all that time consuming.
      In addition the buttstock rides in readily available rear bags very well.
      If you want a bipod you can epoxy in a mounting rod and the stocks are extremely stiff.
      The 700 platform means getting an aftermarket trigger of your liking is a breeze and scope bases come in all the various cants to simplify hits well past 1000 yards.
      Bottom metal if you want a repeater is more available than with any other platform and if you want a single shot only platform you can epoxy in a singleshot follower from Davidson or Score High.
      The picture shows a Remington 700 long action with a Pacific Tool bolt a Tooley MBR stock Krieger barrel Pacific Tool recoil lug Ken Farrell base all ready to be made into a long-range rifle capable of one mile hits with the best of them.
      No trigger or bottom metal in the picture.
      Last edited by LynnJr; 11-13-2017, 10:17 AM.
      Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
      Southwest Regional Director
      Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
      www.unlimitedrange.org
      Not a commercial business.
      URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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      • #93
        JMP
        Internet Warrior
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Feb 2012
        • 17056

        Lynn, real sniper rifles aren't pink and shiny.

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        • #94
          FourT6and2
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2012
          • 1928

          Originally posted by FluorideInMyWater
          i'm not familiar with that round (6.5). i'll have to read up on it.
          what is the $1k for w/ gunsmithing?....is that if i want to go "super custom"?
          For a custom rifle, you buy all the parts. Then you need a guns smith to build the rifle for you... You can part together a full custom for under $3K. But then you need to pay a gun smith to put it all together, chamber the barrel, bed the stock, etc. So factor in another $1K for that.

          Or, you can get an off-the-shelf Ruger Precision Rifle. And it will shoot just fine for what you're looking to do and your budget. I would highly suggest 6.5 Creedmoor due to affordable factory ammo that shoots well.

          Originally posted by JMP
          The barrel is what will be more important for accuracy. There are very very few companies that sell full centerfire rifles with a high-quality hand fit barrels. They will not available for less than $3k.
          Ruger Precious Rifle is just fine for a beginner. They have been proven at this point. Plenty of people putting them to good use.

          For a full custom, you can get any quality barrel (Bartlein, Kreiger, Hawk Hill, etc.), trigger, 700-pattern action, McMillan/Manners/Chassis, and DBM for under $3K. We've had this discussion already. Here's an example:

          Defiance Deviant Tactical action
          Bartlein barrel
          Jewell trigger
          MPA BA Lite chassis
          No DBM needed

          That comes in well under $3K.

          There are also companies that sell full barreled actions. For example, Core Shooting. And you just drop it into an MPA chassis and you're good to go.
          Last edited by FourT6and2; 09-02-2017, 10:48 AM.

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          • #95
            TMB 1
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2012
            • 7153

            The Carlos Hathcock Method of Sighting in a Rifle. http://m14forum.com/gus-fisher/63019...ing-rifle.html
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            • #96
              diver160651
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 1764

              high-power "sniper-rifle" platform

              Lynn- never seen an actual past/present qualified sniper MIL or LE use bench rests .. they just do not transport well or set up fast. How much does your rest and rear bag weigh?


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              • #97
                LynnJr
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2013
                • 7946

                Completed rifle weighs 13.8 pounds. Rear sandbag is 7 pounds and the front rest weighs 44 pounds. The scope weighs 2 pounds. No idea what a Harris bipod weighs.
                He wants accuracy out past 1000 yards and a Sniper Platform so I threw in the bipod to meet that criteria.
                Most of his load development will be or atleast should be developed from a bench so the flat surface on the bottom of the forend is a huge plus.
                The chassis all seem to add alot of weight and are to flexible for extreme accuracy work.
                Maybe I don't see the right chassis?
                My combination pictured above is actually a long-range hunting rifle that can double up as a sniper/tactical/precision rifle.

                JMP
                You need to confuse the deer or competition so the pink stock lulls them into a sense of relaxation.
                Last edited by LynnJr; 09-02-2017, 2:15 PM.
                Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                Southwest Regional Director
                Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
                www.unlimitedrange.org
                Not a commercial business.
                URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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                • #98
                  sigstroker
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 19136

                  Originally posted by LynnJr
                  If the bad guy is shooting a 3 moa rifle at 100 yards you are pretty safe at 1000 yards and his name would be Divine Intervention if he could hit any NRA target at 1000 yards 20 times.
                  He only has to hit it (you) once. You are not anywhere near safe.

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                  • #99
                    diver160651
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 1764

                    Originally posted by LynnJr
                    Completed rifle weighs 13.8 pounds. Rear sandbag is 7 pounds and the front rest weighs 44 pounds. The scope weighs 2 pounds. No idea what a Harris bipod weighs.
                    He wants accuracy out past 1000 yards and a Sniper Platform so I threw in the bipod to meet that criteria.
                    Most of his load development will be or atleast should be developed from a bench so the flat surface on the bottom of the forend is a huge plus.
                    The chassis all seem to add alot of weight and are to flexible for extreme accuracy work.
                    Maybe I don't see the right chassis?
                    My combination pictured above is actually a long-range hunting rifle that can double up as a sniper/tactical/precision rifle.

                    JMP
                    You need to confuse the deer or competition so the pink stock lulls them into a sense of relaxation.


                    51 lbs in just the supports is tough for most people to move around


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                    • ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 56955

                      Originally posted by FourT6and2
                      But then you need to pay a gun smith to put it all together, chamber the barrel, bed the stock, etc. So factor in another $1K for that.
                      Many builds don't need expensive paint work or bedding work.
                      The cost to chamber/thread a barrel to fit an action can be as little as $250.
                      Randall Rausch

                      AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                      Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                      Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                      Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                      Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                      • FourT6and2
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 1928

                        Originally posted by ar15barrels
                        Many builds don't need expensive paint work or bedding work.
                        The cost to chamber/thread a barrel to fit an action can be as little as $250.
                        So if I send you a rifle, you'll do a re-barrel for $250?
                        Last edited by FourT6and2; 09-02-2017, 9:12 PM.

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                        • LynnJr
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 7946

                          Diver
                          The 51 pounds is from his vehicle to the bench for load development.
                          Once he has his load he would use the Harris/bipod from that point on in the field.
                          As most shooting takes place off of benches at ranges he would keep the gear for those occasions.
                          Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                          Southwest Regional Director
                          Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
                          www.unlimitedrange.org
                          Not a commercial business.
                          URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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                          • ar15barrels
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 56955

                            Originally posted by FourT6and2
                            So if I send you a rifle, you'll do a re-barrel for $250?
                            If you make an appointment to walk in to my shop, the cost of threading, chambering and cutting/crowning the barrel blank is $250.
                            I do not accept firearms through the mail.
                            Randall Rausch

                            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                            Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                            Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                            • Jess-
                              Junior Member
                              • Nov 2016
                              • 71

                              How about a good scope for the man?

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                              • Jess-
                                Junior Member
                                • Nov 2016
                                • 71

                                info on 65 creedmor vs 308

                                If you’ve researched short action rifles recently, you may have seen some rifles being offered in 6.5 Creedmoor. Using a case similar, but not quite the same, as a .308 Winchester, the 6.5 Creedmoor uses skinnier, lighter bullets and sends them downrange faster. 6.5 Creedmoor has gained in popularity as a great selection for medium […]


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