high-power "sniper-rifle" platform

[LynnJr]

I wouldn't finish off a dying dog with a mosin.
The OP is looking for accuracy and distance. That means a 700 action fitted with a custom barrel and placed into a stock that helps accuracy not hinders it.

[lazyH]

Most people go about this all wrong. You start with a bullet, not a cartridge, a bullet. You find the bullet that will do exactly what you need it to do be it putting holes in paper, pig, on steel, etc. Then you figure out how fast it needs to go to do it's job. Then you find a case that holds that much goflake, and a barrel length and twist that gives it enough run up. Then you decide on a trigger based on circumstance and preference.

Only after you've settled on all the above do you bother looking for an action to glue the thing together.

I agree with milotrain 100% with that said though with a 3k budget, a couple other things to consider, are you going to be buying ammo or loading, with whatever caliber will box ammo be available? ( it's hard to find anything that's not a traditional caliber used for hunting in the stores around here) how much of the budget is going to the optic? A custom 700 would always be an option but if you can get an off the rack bolt gun like a tikka or savage that's shoots on par or slightly worse but a 1/4 of the price tag may be worth looking into. There's nothing wrong a 308 with the right load & @ 1k you would be surprised how well it does. Just food for thought. Keep asking questions!! Best of luck -Lazy

[rm1911]

i LOVE garands. i have 10, but they are all "correct-grade" from the CMP about 15 years ago. i consider those my collectors pieces so i don't shoot them.

Collecting for what?

Garands were meant to be shot. Like this.



And yes he was hitting at 500. Didn't hit the buffalo though. We both tried.

As for mosins and dying dogs, how about a sturmbanfuhrer?

[Kingair001]

. . . how about a sturmbanfuhrer?

You don't see many of those these days . . . lol

[hambam105]

If your rifle shoots 3 inches at 100 yards you would be lucky to hit a 6 foot by 6 foot target at 1000 yards.

3 inch at 1,000 when calculated in linear forum, 3'' & 200 =6 inch group....3'' & 1,000 would be a 30 inch group, and since the aiming point is at the center of that 30 inch group means that bullet strike is 15 inches from center. How big is that target?

If the bad guy has a 3 inch capable rifle aimed center mass at me at 1,000 yards I'll soak it up high or get clipped low, either way I'm toast. There is 15'' plus of me above center mass and a lot more than 15 inches below center. And by all means don't tell the bad guys about this.

The experience I've had with stock barreled action Remington PSS is that the rifles don't shoot in a linear fashion. However, if I miss a NRA B-27 target at 1,000 yards, again, did I say that, it isn't the gun and it isn't scope and it isn't the ammo and it isn't because I wore my taci-cool clothing complete with brightly shined clip on knife on my right front pocket other wise referred to as a Target Indicator.

[hambam105]

Milotrain:

I've only found the opposite on the range.

On the range you're 100% correct. I was referring to those that do most of their shooting behind the keyboard.

[FluorideInMyWater]

What is a sniper rifle? Anything like a semi auto assault rifle?

i don't know exact definitions, but i would guess that an "assault rifle" is more along the lines of an AR........shorter barrel, semi-automatic (not bolt action) and meant for distances up to 400 yards (meters?) at the maximum.

i've watched videos which stated that there is no such thing as an "assault-rile". it's just a term thrown out by anti 2A'ers as a politically coined phrase to scare people and to make them try to increase the bans.

so a "featureless" rifle almost doesn't exist. there are no evil features so it avoids classifications

now, where does the "ghost" rifle fall in?.....it's just a rifle that sticks strictly to the spirit of 2A. persons are allowed to make their own rifles to defend themselves.......but not transferable, illegal to sell, don't require a serial number...........gotta love that. LOL

i think i'll forget about the "precision" rifle and go buy and sling-shot instead. i just have to make sure it's not an "assault-sling-shot"

[LynnJr]

3 inch at 1,000 when calculated in linear forum, 3'' & 200 =6 inch group....3'' & 1,000 would be a 30 inch group, and since the aiming point is at the center of that 30 inch group means that bullet strike is 15 inches from center. How big is that target?


If the bad guy has a 3 inch capable rifle aimed center mass at me at 1,000 yards I'll soak it up high or get clipped low, either way I'm toast. There is 15'' plus of me above center mass and a lot more than 15 inches below center. And by all means don't tell the bad guys about this.

The experience I've had with stock barreled action Remington PSS is that the rifles don't shoot in a linear fashion. However, if I miss a NRA B-27 target at 1,000 yards, again, did I say that, it isn't the gun and it isn't scope and it isn't the ammo and it isn't because I wore my taci-cool clothing complete with brightly shined clip on knife on my right front pocket other wise referred to as a Target Indicator.

If the bad guy is shooting a 3 moa rifle at 100 yards you are pretty safe at 1000 yards and his name would be Divine Intervention if he could hit any NRA target at 1000 yards 20 times.
You need to take into account a thing called dispersion and you need to couple that with environmental factors.
And yes some of us have actually shot at 1000 yards maybe even 2000 yards and maybe even 3000 yards and nothing is linear.

[TMB 1]

I think he's saying you can do all that with a Mosin. If you can shoot a Mosin and put 20 shots in a 3" circle at 100 yards then put 20 shots in a 30" circle at 1000 yards with same rifle, that is human skill. Give the same person a better rifle that shoots smaller groups they"ll hit smaller targets at the same distances.

Huh?????
If your rifle shoots 3 inches at 100 yards you would be lucky to hit a 6 foot by 6 foot target at 1000 yards.
A quarter inch gun at 100 will shoot 4 inches to four feet at 1000 yards.

Better way to explain it to you, maybe. If a guy can put 20 shots in a 3" circle at 100 yards then put 20 shots in a 30" circle or into your 6 foot by 6 foot target at 1000 yards with same rifle. Give the guy a better rifle that will put them into a 1/4" at 100 yards he'll put them into your 4 inches to four feet at 1000 yards.

[JMP]

i'm not familiar with that round (6.5). i'll have to read up on it.
what is the $1k for w/ gunsmithing?....is that if i want to go "super custom"?

The barrel is what will be more important for accuracy. There are very very few companies that sell full centerfire rifles with a high-quality hand fit barrels. They will not available for less than $3k.

[CSACANNONEER]

A lefty will benefit from a left bolt, right port rifle.

[CAGLS]

I think if he has $3000 to work with get a $2000 rifle and $1000 scope.

Probably 308 too since I doubt he is gonna be reloading.

Get a $1000 rifle and $2000 scope. I want to build a semi custom bolt gun with a Rem 700 action and MDT LSS XL chassis. Turner's has the Remington 700 Magpul 5-R 6.5 Creedmoor Threaded 22" Barrel and .308 5R Barrel version on sale for $975. I already have the glass S B PMII 3-20x50 Ultrashort MRAD P4 fine.

[6mmintl]

You may notice most of the shooters are using the tasco "Super Sniper" scopes sold by SWFA.

Good entry level scope thru to advanced/master class shooter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ

[FluorideInMyWater]

Go with a .416 Barrett for maximum coolness!
Slap a big ol' brake and shoot the snot out of it with irons.

ultimately once i develop good skills i do want to get a .50-cal barrett.....but i'm no where near ready for that kind of power. it would just be a waste of ammo (for me).

[FluorideInMyWater]

1000 is a magic number for a lot of new shooter.

you don't need "high power" caliber to reach 1000 yards target. Get some good ammo or load some good ammo with high BC bullet, you can reach 1000 yards steel plate target with 308, 6.5

you can get a affordable light weight 338lm. if you don't have a good brake + recoil management with the lighter weight 338 rifle, you can't see where you hit.

i just threw out 1000 yards as a base number. i'd like to be able to to go 1500+ if possible. the person i'd be competing with is me.......at least at this point. i have not given much thought to competitions...i've always been into "individual" sports......running, cycling, weightlifting, archery....where i just try to beat my "personal best". yes i could hit a target at 1000 yards with a garand......which would be cool, but i like new toys too!