How To Improve

[jimmykan]

Sorry to resurrect this, but a question just popped into my head. What would be a good rate of fire to prevent my groups from opening up as much as I saw with my last(center) group?

You said you rushed that last 5 shot group, correct?

How do you know which is the root cause of the larger group size?

Was it due a hot barrel? Or was it due to your rushing to get it in before the cease fire?

To answer your question, a 5 shot group every 5 minutes seems to work for me.

[jrpowell3]

You said you rushed that last 5 shot group, correct?

How do you know which is the root cause of the larger group size?

Was it due a hot barrel? Or was it due to your rushing to get it in before the cease fire?

To answer your question, a 5 shot group every 5 minutes seems to work for me.

To be completely honest, I don't really know, and it was probably a combination of me rushing, me still learning the gun, and potentially(but I'm not sure by how much) a hot barrel. I just know that my barrel was more than just a little warm after the last 5-shot magazine.

so, 1 shot a minute, I think I was doing like 30 seconds between shots.

[jimmykan]

To be completely honest, I don't really know, and it was probably a combination of me rushing, me still learning the gun, and potentially(but I'm not sure by how much) a hot barrel. I just know that my barrel was more than just a little warm after the last 5-shot magazine.

so, 1 shot a minute, I think I was doing like 30 seconds between shots.

You can shoot your entire 5 shot group in 30 seconds if you want. This helps to minimize changing wind conditions, and reduces eye and body strain if you are shooting from prone, versus remaining in shooting position for 5-10 minutes straight.

Just wait a few minutes before you shoot the next group so that you are averaging one shot per minute.

[jrpowell3]

Gotcha. Also, I didn't use a sling when I shot my groups, I'm pretty sure in F-Class TR, you're allowed to use a sling. Would a loop sling have made a difference last week?

[JackEllis]

If I shoot four rounds out of my .30-06 in under a minute, the barrel is almost too warm to grasp comfortably on a mild spring day. But then I let the barrel cool to something approaching ambient temperature before I fire another group.

My smaller caliber rifles don't heat as much or take as long to cool. Two weeks ago shooting squirrels, the barrel was cool by the time I had reloaded a five round magazine.

[jimmykan]

Gotcha. Also, I didn't use a sling when I shot my groups, I'm pretty sure in F-Class TR, you're allowed to use a sling. Would a loop sling have made a difference last week?

From prone, I have seen bipod shooting, and I have seen sling shooting, but I have not seen bipod+sling shooting. Not saying it's impossible or doesn't exist, I just haven't seen it.

When shooting sling prone, you usually use the sling to lash the rifle to the bicep of your support arm, while your support hand grips the rifle stock's forend and your support elbow is directly underneath the rifle, or as close to that ideal as possible.

When shooting bipod prone, the support hand is behind the trigger hand, supporting the rifle at the buttstock, usually controlling some sort of squeezable rear back. At least for me, I don't think I could keep tension on a sling AND work a rear back with the same arm at the same time.

[jrpowell3]

From prone, I have seen bipod shooting, and I have seen sling shooting, but I have not seen bipod+sling shooting. Not saying it's impossible or doesn't exist, I just haven't seen it.

When shooting sling prone, you usually use the sling to lash the rifle to the bicep of your support arm, while your support hand grips the rifle stock's forend and your support elbow is directly underneath the rifle, or as close to that ideal as possible.

When shooting bipod prone, the support hand is behind the trigger hand, supporting the rifle at the buttstock, usually controlling some sort of squeezable rear back. At least for me, I don't think I could keep tension on a sling AND work a rear back with the same arm at the same time.

I see what you're saying.

[longrange1]

Sorry to resurrect this, but a question just popped into my head. What would be a good rate of fire to prevent my groups from opening up as much as I saw with my last(center) group?

depends on the barrel diameter...do you know what that is on your rifle?

[jimmykan]

depends on the barrel diameter...do you know what that is on your rifle?

He has said that it is a factory Remington Varmint barrel.


A: 1.250"
B: 2.000"
C: 4.350"
D: 0.950"
E: 26.00"
F: 0.830"

[longrange1]

thanks jimmykan, i seen that in the first couple of posts but wasnt sure of the actual dimensions...if the barrel is in fact .830 at the muzzle he should have no problems shooting a 5 shot group every 5 minutes or so..id even go as far as saying he would probably be ok with a 10 shot group.

[jrpowell3]

Ok. That's good to know.

[longrange1]

Ok. That's good to know.

I think you'd be ok shooting a couple of 5 shot groups back to back as long as it's not a hundred degrees out...I've shot 30-35 rounds through an .875 barrel with minimal stringing...260 rem though not a 308...


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[jrpowell3]

It seems it would be prudent to be more careful with the timing of my strings, though

[LynnJr]

When your shooting groups keep the timing between shots as consistent as you can and with that in mind get your shots downrange as quickly as your comfortable.
After the group is over you can let the barrel cool.

https://youtu.be/MfHqzlCPgS8

[jrpowell3]

When your shooting groups keep the timing between shots as consistent as you can and with that in mind get your shots downrange as quickly as your comfortable.
After the group is over you can let the barrel cool.

https://youtu.be/MfHqzlCPgS8

So try to keep my shots equidistant, time wise, as best as possible