Questions about assembling a Remage in 6 mm. BR

[Khromo]

First of all, many thanks to all those who took the time to reply with advise and comments!

I have spent some time over the last week or so weighing the merits of different approaches to this project, and guestimating the costs involved.

I began to see that the cost of a Remage system was not that much less than having an action blueprinted and a Bartlein blank fitted. Still, the convenience of the Remage system appeals to me.

While I pondered what to do, I happened to be browsing on Bud's web site, and noted that he has stainless Model 700 short actions for reasonable prices, both with and without bolts.

So I decided to buy one of each! More is always better!

I will use the action with a bolt to cobble together a 6 mm. BR Norma Remage rifle with a 24" varmint profile SS barrel.

I will use the action without a bolt to assemble a low-rent custom 6 BR over time, with a PTG bolt and a Bartlein barrel. I'll get Randall to blueprint the action and assemble it.

I'll keep careful track of the performance of both guns, and the cost. I'll open a new thread down the road with this info, and hopefully it will be useful to other members!

[LZhiou]

few more options beside remage

WTO Switchlug - https://westtexordnance.com/switchlug/

Bugnut - http://forum.snipershide.com/forum/s...6258676-bugnut

[longrange1]

First of all, many thanks to all those who took the time to reply with advise and comments!

I have spent some time over the last week or so weighing the merits of different approaches to this project, and guestimating the costs involved.

I began to see that the cost of a Remage system was not that much less than having an action blueprinted and a Bartlein blank fitted. Still, the convenience of the Remage system appeals to me.

While I pondered what to do, I happened to be browsing on Bud's web site, and noted that he has stainless Model 700 short actions for reasonable prices, both with and without bolts.

So I decided to buy one of each! More is always better!

I will use the action with a bolt to cobble together a 6 mm. BR Norma Remage rifle with a 24" varmint profile SS barrel.

I will use the action without a bolt to assemble a low-rent custom 6 BR over time, with a PTG bolt and a Bartlein barrel. I'll get Randall to blueprint the action and assemble it.

I'll keep careful track of the performance of both guns, and the cost. I'll open a new thread down the road with this info, and hopefully it will be useful to other members!

first im not knocking remage type barrels or am i trying to discourage you from trying a remage set up...i am also NOT a bench rest guy or an expert.

i do how ever shoot a lot...4-6000 rounds a year...and shot savage for about 7-8yrs with a few different types of barrels...bartlein,shilen and CBI...i had one prefit shilen that would shoot 1 hole groups at 100yds...260rem shooting 142g smks and would shoot .295 to .300 5 shot groups consistently...all the other barrels were about .500 maybe slightly under consistently...except for the bartlein...and the POS CBI i had.

i had my smith true the face of the savage target action and install the bartlein without the nut...it would shoot all day long in the mid to low 2s...better barrel? better day shooting? i dont know like i say im not an expert.

fast forward to now...i just pulled a 6mm creedmoor barrel off my surgeon action that i had chambered with a barrel nut because like you i wanted to seen the difference if any...i shot 1600 rounds through that bartlein and again the best 100yd groups i could get were right about 1/2" or just slightly under.

i just had 2 new bartleins chambered and set without the nut...saturday i shot 49 rounds ive had setting around for about 2 months...same load as the barrel i just pulled...sunday morning i loaded up 30 rounds of the same load and heres what happened....



#2 2 shots to check zero and adjust
#3 10 rounds off a bipod and rear bag
#5 5 rounds off the bipod and a creedmoor sport glove for rear support

so again is this a better barrel? a better day shooting? or is it something to do with the way the barrel is attached to the receiver? for me personally its kind of a trend that a shouldered barrel shoots a little better than a barrel thats set with a nut.

again im no expert,bench rest shooter or even a group shooter for that matter just sharing what ive found.

[bsumoba]

so again is this a better barrel? a better day shooting? or is it something to do with the way the barrel is attached to the receiver? for me personally its kind of a trend that a shouldered barrel shoots a little better than a barrel thats set with a nut.

again im no expert,bench rest shooter or even a group shooter for that matter just sharing what ive found.

There are lots of anecdotal evidence out there to suggest that a barrel headspaced to fit your particular action is better than a barrel nut set up. None of that matters in my opinion as as some have mentioned, barrel nut set ups have shot well and I believe them.

My opinion? it is about the quality of the barrel and the chamber job, the bullets and the load development. I have had bad Bartlein barrels and sent them back and they replaced them. It sucked because I lost out on the cost of the chamber job. Fool me once...but not twice. I'll be borescoping them before a reamer ever gets close to the barrel. I also had bullets that just would not shoot no matter what barrel I put them in. Those bullets got sold in the forums. I never really had a bad chamber job but that is because I have always chosen good gunsmiths. Whether that gunsmith had good leadtimes or not is a different topic.

I won't get into load development because it's too long of a topic...

[longrange1]

i have had 2 bad barrels and i doubt ill ever buy another of either...7 bartleins now and never an issue but i do understand it could happen.

as i said im no expert and not a BR guy...i have chased accuracy though and short of custom bullets ive done just about everything you can for load development and case/bullet prep and IMHO load development is only as hard as the person doing the loading makes it.

the 6CM im shooting is an off the shelf PT&G reamer with a .275 neck...hornady brass with a 40-60% clean up on the necks and no other case or bullet prep.

i agree 100% with everything your saying and will add i think accuracy has a lot to do with the guy behind the trigger as well as everything else thats been mentioned here.

[bsumoba]

as i said im no expert and not a BR guy...i have chased accuracy though and short of custom bullets ive done just about everything you can for load development and case/bullet prep and IMHO load development is only as hard as the person doing the loading makes it.

Very true. Some do the extremes of load development and ammo prepping and measure every known variable and sort their bullets, primers, brass, etc into all these small batches and try to make sense of what variable is the holy grail that would get them consistent accuracy/precision for their intended applications. Does it really help? Well, I think a lot of it has to do with how it makes you feel mentally. If you think it helps, then it will help. Positive thinking is a must in shooting. The moment you think you have a bad gun, load, etc, the worse you will shoot.

i agree 100% with everything your saying and will add i think accuracy has a lot to do with the guy behind the trigger as well as everything else thats been mentioned here.

This is big. It is always easy to blame the load or the gun, but people do not realize how much gun handling plays a part in shooting well. Load development can be skewed by the trigger puller. I always like to load dummy ammo and mix it into the group. I did that once to a friend and he nearly fell over as he pulled trigger, anticipating the recoil. I laughed so hard. He did not find it amusing and supposedly went back home and loaded dummy rounds for himself to correct his flinching that he thought he never had.

When shooting out to 1K yards, everything truly matters. Much of the vertical dispersion (and horizontal dispersion for that matter) can easily be induced by the shooter.

[longrange1]

i agree again 100%!

the extreme loading ive done and honestly i did see some slight improvements but for me it just turned into a second job and i was loosing interest in shooting because of all the prep involved so i started dropping steps until i found a happy medium between time spent at the loading bench and accuracy...so loading is only a part time job now LOL!

and i know all about the blame game...ive been there a few times myself but have found its always me having a bad day and have learned to blow it off as such and move on...ive seen a few guys mind F their selves right out of shooting.