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  • #16
    Cypriss32
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2004
    • 6005

    One of the Best Buy's in ELR scopes is the 5-20x SS HD. It has a ton of internal adjustment. I picked mine up for $800 LNIB.
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    • #17
      dozer wright
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2012
      • 2764

      Check out Sightron great scope for price. Check reviews come highly recommended.

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      • #18
        m1match
        Member
        • Apr 2007
        • 374

        I would recommend going with a FFP (first focal plane) scope with some type of mildot reticle. The reticle changes size with the magnification so you can use the mildots for holding for windage and/or elevation at any magnification. I would also recommend a mil/mil scope, meaning mil radian adjustment turrets with a mil radian reticle. The Gen 2 Vortex 3-18 is a great scope for the price and 18x is enough magnification. The Burris 5-25 XTRII is a great value for the price, but the glass in the Vortex Gen 2 3-18x is way better, the Burris is not better than the Vortex Gen 2 3-18 at anything. I would also consider the Bushnell 3.5-21 ERS, I have one, and the adjustments are good and repeatable, the reticles are very good, but the glass is only so-so (on par with the Burris XTR II) and the zero stop on the Bushnell is a terrible design that's hard to set and if you do it wrong you could lock the scope up bad enough to require a trip back to Bushnell for service.

        For an education, I'd recommend going to the snipershide.com forums and reading through the stickies.

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        • #19
          LynnJr
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          • Jan 2013
          • 7959

          MrPatis
          If you get a chance go to one of the URSA matches in SoCal and look through the scopes before buying.
          Triggers stocks barrels and actions are pretty much the same in the various competitions but scopes are more of a personal choice.
          Matches from any of the long-range venues generally have a plethora of scopes you can look through once the match is over.
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          • #20
            m1match
            Member
            • Apr 2007
            • 374

            Lynn's advice is good- when I started out shooting long range 15 years ago, I didn't know what I didn't know. First, I would recommend that you educate yourself on first focal plane vs. second focal plane scopes, then on mil vs. moa. Then looking though different scopes will give you some idea of differences which are mostly differences in turrets, reticles, and glass. Have an idea of how you would use the scope so you will have some idea of how you will use a reticle. For example, I dial for elevation but hold right or left for wind, so I prefer a reticle that has something like hash marks of about .2 mil on the horizontal. If I were starting out from scratch, I'd probably choose a Vortex Gen 2 scope (either 3-18 or 4.5-27, or the new AMG) with the EBR-2C reticle or one of the variations. They are all mil/mil scopes and the reticles have a "Christmas tree" on the bottom so you can use it to aid holding for wind and elevation. Those types of reticles can be very useful in matches where you have to rapidly engage multiple targets at different ranges under tight time constraints. If you don't shoot PRS type matches, then the "Christmas tree" reticles aren't as important. My best precision rifles all have S&B scopes with the H2CMR reticle, S&B doesn't make any "Christmas tree" reticles and for my preferences, the H2CMR reticle works best for me.

            I also have 1) a Bushnell 3.5-21 G2DMR scope with G2 reticle, and 2) a Bushnell 3.5-21 ERS with Horus TreMor2 reticle, both are "Christmas tree" reticles. Both of these scopes can had for less than $1600, the first is around $1000, and the 2nd is around $1600. The turrets have a reputation for reliability of adjustments, the glass is ok to good, the reticles are good.
            Last edited by m1match; 01-06-2017, 2:34 PM.

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            • #21
              RobG
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2006
              • 4887

              Give Mike at CStactical a call. (916) 670-1103

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              • #22
                bsumoba
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 4217

                Being that it is going to be a bench gun, I would try to go a bit more and get a NF Competition 15-55. It can be had for about $2,100. You might even find demo units for around $2K. It has your zero stop and is widely used for F-Class, which is LR shooting out to 1K.

                I have two of these scopes on F-Class rifles and they are great. I also use this scope when shooting my 338 Edge and it handles the recoil just fine.

                I had the Bushnell HDMR. It is probably the best scope for the price (~$1,000-$1,200), but the reticle is too thick for precision shooting out to 1K. Most FFP scopes will be in reality. SFP and finer reticles are much more practical for target shooting. When you get to shooting long range precision, not a whole lot of people are using the Xmas tree reticles.

                I sold the Bushnell and my tactical rifle now sports a Kahles 624i and I love it. But, as mentioned earlier it would not be my first choice for target precision shooting.

                One thing to note, Mil/Mil scopes are good for tactical, but not so good for target shooting, IMO. You want "clicks" that will allow you to fine tune your elevation and wind; 1/8 MOA clicks are much smaller, ~1.30 inches @ 1,000 yards, versus 0.1 mil clicks which equates to ~3.6 inches at 1,000 yards.

                Again, NF Competition is my recommendation and you will never feel like you have an inadequate target scope. If that is too much and you can live without the zero-stop, go with the Vortex Golden Eagle. Nothing but good reviews on this scope also.
                Last edited by bsumoba; 01-05-2017, 10:13 PM.
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                  Sir Toast
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 3140

                  Go with a Nightforce Bench scope. You won't be disappointed.

                  If you want First Focal Plane, then Nightforce is great.

                  Save some money. Get a used scope. Nightforce and Vortex are awesome.

                  DEFINITELY, LOOK AT THE BUSHNELLL ELITE TACTICAL 6-24x50 with the G2 reticle. It is AWESOME from what I've heard and seen. Amazing scope for not that much. Plus it is FFP.

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                  • #25
                    ar15barrels
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                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57193

                    Originally posted by Mr. Patis
                    12 is in the low side...I'm looking for at least 20x maybe 15x if glass is really good....i can probably push my budget to 2k but that's really the max I'd be willing to spend
                    That gets you $250 away from a Gen2 Razor HD 4.5-27.
                    It's such a shame to be so close, yet to go with a lesser scope over $250...
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                    • #26
                      bigdawg86
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                      • Mar 2012
                      • 3554

                      I have a Kahles K624i one my Creedmoor build... It has phenomenal glass. I have the SMKR 3 reticle. I have compared side by side to the Vortex Razor HD Gen II (amazing scope!) and I think it has a wider field of view and slightly better glass.

                      For your budget, I would seriously consider a Sig Tango6 5-30x56 scope... Yes they are new to the market, but they seem very impressive with the specs and seem well suited for a cartridge like the 6.5 Creedmoor. I have that on my scope short list for future projects.

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                      • #27
                        Mr. Patis
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 1297

                        You're right...i might as well get the better scope if I'm already spending that much
                        Originally posted by ar15barrels
                        That gets you $250 away from a Gen2 Razor HD 4.5-27.
                        It's such a shame to be so close, yet to go with a lesser scope over $250...

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                        • #28
                          mesojdm
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 521

                          Was in the same boat. Ended up with the 4.5-27 genII for my 6.5. Thing is a tank.. I'm happy Went up a little.
                          already close to the 2K $range, why not kick in a few more bucks and get the GenII. Also check other forums, often it can be had for ~2-2100.

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                          • #29
                            Mute
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 8605

                            If you're pushing up to $2000, you might as well save a little longer and get the Vortex 4.5-27. It's a much better scope than the 3-18 or the older Gen I scopes.

                            However, I think you should listen to the advice others have given to go to a match or two and checkout the other offerings. If you plan to shoot mainly from a bench and at known distance targets, you might be better served with a SFP scope, in which case, the Nightforce selections are excellent.
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                            • #30
                              cyphr02
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                              • May 2008
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