Do Bullets Matter?

[killshot44]

Lynn, the higher BCs are ffrom their latest lots....as the dies age the BCs get higher!

I never shot these when they were made by Clay but the ones coming out of Toms shop are amazingly well-made.

[JMP]

JMP
I don't shoot Berger bullets anymore because I don't like all the sorting.
If Eric Stecker or Walt Berger would get me a bucket of bullets made from a single die I would shoot those.
I just picked up some 300 grain Bergers and the boxes have two different G1 BC numbers on them.

Yeah, for bulk quality bullets, I usually play it safe with Sierra or Lapua where I know what I am getting.

[Discogodfather]

Hitler liked sloppy machine pistols, he wasn't a long range kind of guy.

[LynnJr]

JMP
I like shooting all the various brands side by side at the same velocity if possible. I find less than 3 inches worth of elevation at 1000 yards despite what the box might say. I also don't think the smaller companies can afford a bunch of engineers.
When Lonnie Hummel from Hornady got into long-range benchrest we got A-Max bullets that shot good. With Sierra we had Rich Macholtz on the firing line and the bullets were very good.
When Sierra went to the shorter 1.206 length on the 107 grain MatchKings Hart and Krieger barrels suffered and Bartlein took over.The Bartleins like the shorter bullets.I talked with Patrick Daly at Sierra about making the old style bullets at 1.260 or longer and got nowhere with him.
That is about when Bill Davis at Tioga Engineering gave Walt Berger the 6mm VLD design for international 300 meter matches and the rest is history.
Back then Hammets and JLK's ruled the roost with the 6mm crowd.

Killshot44
I was thinking that difference was voodoo. I bought a goat and some chickens just in case.
Bart is making a 105 bullet in 6mm that is made right even if it isn't on his website.
He knows how far to fill the jacket and doesn't worry about the weight at all. The only mass produced bullet like that is the Berger column bullet.
You would have loved talking with Clay.
The CopperHead bullets are a sister set of dies that were sent to Australia.
The Clinch River bullets shoot lights out but are impossible to buy.

[ar15barrels]

If I am looking at it right tenths hundreds thousandths 10,000 nths 100,000 nths of an inch.
A nanometer would be 1 billionth of a meter not a inch.

I have a Mitutoyo micrometer from that same series.
They are the most accurate micrometers made without going to optical (laser) measurements.

they are only a 4.5 digits though.
They will read to 0.00005" resolution.

[BillyGoatCrawler]

I have a Mitutoyo micrometer from that same series.
They are the most accurate micrometers made without going to optical (laser) measurements.

they are only a 4.5 digits though.
They will read to 0.00005" resolution.

No need to spend that much. The harbor freight ones do the same thing for cheaper.














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[crono35]

yes, bullets matter. I think it would matter to me a lot if I get hit by one.

[AFTII]

Shakey
If I am looking at it right tenths hundreds thousandths 10,000 nths 100,000 nths of an inch.
A nanometer would be 1 billionth of a meter not a inch.
If you look at the picture Savage Rifles are held to the same tolerances as Barts Bullets.

You are correct. It's not that difficult to hold finished bullet tolerances to 1/10,000." The difficulty is making them with .0001" TIR. Everything has to line up precisely and that's where the craftsmanship comes in. What core seater punch is used, the concentricity of the jackets, how things are cleaned, the amount of lube used and the concentricity of the point up die all come into play. Bart certainly knows how to do this.

Of course, J4 jackets are held to a tolerance of .0003" TIR (total indicated runout.) However, when I used to make bullets, I rarely found the TIR to exceed .00015." But, TIR was' the end all and beat all. Sometimes the jacket material itself tended to produce better bullets than others.

Oh, the bad old days of making bullets. Thankless job. Now I just buy bullets from Bart and call it good.

And yes Lynn you know me.

[2shotjoe]

no #bulletlivesmatter pun yet?

[joefrank64k]

...Bart is making a 105 bullet in 6mm that is made right even if it isn't on his website.
He knows how far to fill the jacket and doesn't worry about the weight at all. The only mass produced bullet like that is the Berger column bullet.

And he's not giving them away, either...ask me how I know!

[LynnJr]

Clinch River Bart Sauter Clay Spencer Euber and CopperHeads all shoot lights out but buying them has always hurt the wallet.

Now if only I knew who that poster is?
SH BC EE HC RR AE CS RM are the initials that jump out at me?

[JMP]

A nanometer would be 1 billionth of a meter not a inch.
If you look at the picture Savage Rifles are held to the same tolerances as Barts Bullets.

You've really become quite the Savage fanboy.

[LynnJr]

JMP
You must be in Colorado where marijauna is legal if you think I am a Savage fanboy.
I was given a free Savage rifle from a poster here and should have cut it into tiny pieces.
Luckily another poster here has the patience of a saint and is going to look it over in a couple days.

[hambam105]

LynnJr;
Did you cut that Savage into tiny pieces on purpose or by accident? I need a few fishing sinkers.

[vliberatore]

Yeah, for bulk quality bullets, I usually play it safe with Sierra or Lapua where I know what I am getting.

Have you used the TMKs you were going to try?