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  • #16
    sonofeugene
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 4534

    Flutes on barrels may hurt accuracy, but flutes on bolts won't.
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    • #17
      Quinc
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      • Jan 2010
      • 3011

      Interesting! do you have a link to this? be interesting to see.
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      • #18
        Discogodfather
        CGN Contributor
        • Feb 2010
        • 5516

        Originally posted by Quinc
        Interesting! do you have a link to this? be interesting to see.
        Scroll down half way to the *barrel* fluting section.

        Link PRS Blog
        Last edited by Discogodfather; 10-06-2015, 12:06 PM.
        Originally posted by doggie
        Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
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        • #19
          killshot44
          Veteran Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 4072

          Boltfluting started with short range Benchrest, their "light" class max is around 10.5lbs so every ounce saved somewhere can be utilized by barrel and scope choices.

          This guy does some serious fluting work; $65 for most makes and $75 for Tikkas and Savages.


          I like his "Diamond" treatment.

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          • #20
            FourT6and2
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 1928

            Originally posted by Discogodfather
            Scroll down half way to the bolt fluting section.

            Link PRS Blog
            I think you mean barrel fluting. Seems like a few people in this thread are talking about barrels. But the OP asked about bolts.

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            • #21
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57144

              Originally posted by mx0317
              Longriflesinc. has a special going on right now. It's called the Sniper's Hide bolt fluting group buy.
              I think it's $45 for just the bolt fluting.
              Add $42.80 for ceracoat and around $6 shipping to get it there and you are at $93.80 which is close to the $100-$150 price range I quoted.
              If you want a special color, it's an extra $45 which gets you closer to the $150.
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              • #22
                JMP
                Internet Warrior
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Feb 2012
                • 17056

                I really do not like bolt fluting/spiraling/jeweling or whatever takes chunks of metal of the nice smooth cycling surface. In the best case it'll end up as good as the original bolt body. I will never again get a spiral fluted bolt.

                And, after the novelty wears off, you will realize that it is actually ugly.

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                • #23
                  firebert
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 1349

                  I sent mines to PPR. Doing it mainly for the aesthetics
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                  • #24
                    FourT6and2
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 1928

                    Originally posted by JMP
                    I really do not like bolt fluting/spiraling/jeweling or whatever takes chunks of metal of the nice smooth cycling surface. In the best case it'll end up as good as the original bolt body. I will never again get a spiral fluted bolt.

                    And, after the novelty wears off, you will realize that it is actually ugly.
                    Considering the vast majority of "boutique" custom actions come with the bolts fluted, I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon. Defiance, Stiller, BAT, Surgeon, Bighorn, etc. They all spiral flute their bolts. I think it looks nice, personally. I guess you can order them without fluting too. You speak as though spiral flutes on the bolt somehow negatively affect how the action functions. Is that the case?

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                    • #25
                      Discogodfather
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 5516

                      700 actions already have very low surface contact area of bolt to action compared to more modern designs. Theoretically it does effect it negatively, but probably by such a small amount its negligible. I remember seeing a video years ago that had an AI engineer talking about the fluting process on their rifles. Their scheme revolved around meeting the AW requirements of the Brit Military and they kept failing in cold weather with dirt. If you look at the fluting pattern on their bolts it's obvious it was not an aesthetic reason but a more engineered approach at actually getting the bolt to cycle in horrible conditions.

                      I have an old Israeli FAL I built from a kit and if you read about the 1967 war they had huge problems with sand, so they ended up cutting flutes into the bolt carrier to allow the sand to at least find somewhere to go.

                      So unless you engineered for some hellish dirt situation or you want to meet some very stringent weight requirements then what's the point?

                      I respect BR guys a lot but when I see flame paint jobs and neon orange..........
                      Originally posted by doggie
                      Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
                      Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
                      Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
                      "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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                      • #26
                        JMP
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                        • Feb 2012
                        • 17056

                        Originally posted by FourT6and2
                        Considering the vast majority of "boutique" custom actions come with the bolts fluted, I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon. Defiance, Stiller, BAT, Surgeon, Bighorn, etc. They all spiral flute their bolts. I think it looks nice, personally. I guess you can order them without fluting too. You speak as though spiral flutes on the bolt somehow negatively affect how the action functions. Is that the case?
                        You can get them all without fluting. If you are buying one already in stock from a retailer, it isn't really "custom" by the way I look at it.

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                        • #27
                          ar15barrels
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57144

                          Originally posted by FourT6and2
                          Considering the vast majority of "boutique" custom actions come with the bolts fluted, I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon. Defiance, Stiller, BAT, Surgeon, Bighorn, etc. They all spiral flute their bolts.

                          You speak as though spiral flutes on the bolt somehow negatively affect how the action functions. Is that the case?
                          Surgeon's flutes are super narrow and shallow as to not cause the problems that bigger flutes do.
                          A surgeon bolt is BARELY fluted and they run smoother because they have so much more of the full circle left.
                          The problems come from the deep and wide fluting, especially if the edges are left sharp.
                          Randall Rausch

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                          Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                          Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                          • #28
                            Flouncer
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 1309

                            If it worked it would have been done in 1895.

                            LOLZ

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                            • #29
                              kendog4570
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 5180

                              Bolt fluting has all the earmarks of a solution to a non-existent problem. It is good for the bolt fluters wallet, though.

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                              • #30
                                ar15barrels
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Jan 2006
                                • 57144

                                Originally posted by Flouncer
                                If it worked it would have been done in 1895.
                                LOLZ.
                                They didn't have computers or the internet in 1895.
                                Randall Rausch

                                AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                                Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                                Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                                Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                                Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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