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  • #16
    MongooseV8
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 4426

    The M16 style extractor is pretty snazy too.

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    • #17
      killshot44
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 4072

      I prefer the Remington extractor. Fitted properly for the particular casehead dimension, they're tough to break (yet easy to replace) and don't affect the bolt lugs.

      The other types all require removing material from either the bolt face or one of the lugs.

      Good luck with the build.

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      • #18
        ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 57173

        Originally posted by alvin06
        Like I said, this is the first time I'm having a rifle built so I don't know exactly what gets done to an action when it's trued. I was under the assumption that the only things worked on are the action face, threads, bolt face and lugs, and that the bolt raceway was left untouched. I wouldn't want to pay extra to have the raceway reamed if it's not needed. I plan to have it all cerakoted, which I've read can be .001-.002 thick. From what you've guys have said, I think .698 is a safe bet, let me know if you think otherwise.

        You absolutely need to talk with your smith before ordering the bolt.
        Different smiths do truing differently and that will effect the diameter you should get.

        When I true receivers, I open the bolt raceway to 0.705" to make it straight and round.
        The factory bolt raceway tends to be tighter in back than in front.
        Opening it up ensures it is consistent.

        I recommend a 0.704" bolt for benchrest guns which will be left raw or parkerized.
        I recommend 0.703" for field guns that are parkerized or left raw.
        I recommend 0.702" for field guns is to be ceracoated.
        I recommend 0.701" for field guns to be finished with krylon or duracoat.
        Randall Rausch

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        • #19
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57173

          Originally posted by milotrain
          I'll buy your old bolt from you.

          How many would you like?
          Randall Rausch

          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
          Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
          Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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          • #20
            LynnJr
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2013
            • 7958

            Randall
            Not joking around at all look what those bolts are selling for on E-Bay. $175-$200 each. I have never paid more than $125
            Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
            Southwest Regional Director
            Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
            www.unlimitedrange.org
            Not a commercial business.
            URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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            • #21
              JMP
              Internet Warrior
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Feb 2012
              • 17056

              Originally posted by LynnJr
              Randall
              Not joking around at all look what those bolts are selling for on E-Bay. $175-$200 each. I have never paid more than $125
              I have an unused .223 Bolt, NEW FACTORY BOLT, $125, and it is yours, Lynn. You can flip it on eBay for $50 more. I have some other used bolts we can talk business on. I still don't think they are worth that much.

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              • #22
                BillyGoatMachine
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 2886

                I wouldn't buy a factory 700 bolt for $50 unless I was proficient at silver soldering.......And I'm not! Yet!
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                • #23
                  milotrain
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 4301

                  I'll buy all of yours for $50

                  Yes the PTG bolt is better, in many ways. The assumption that the stock bolt is useless or "really bad" seems to be the standard Remm**** argument.
                  weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                  frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                  • #24
                    JMP
                    Internet Warrior
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 17056

                    Milo, I have a couple stock 223s, and 474 PTGs. I don't like my 703" as it has the spiral flutes. If you are serious, I am sure I can dig through my spare parts bins and find you something nice for a fair price.

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                    • #25
                      vliberatore
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 10055

                      Originally posted by MongooseV8
                      The M16 style extractor is pretty snazy too.
                      What advantage does the M16 extractor give?
                      Originally posted by fighterpilot562
                      Damn it man! We could have got drunk, called a taxi and drop by Kest house with a mega phone.

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                      • #26
                        milotrain
                        Veteran Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 4301

                        Originally posted by vliberatore
                        What advantage does the M16 extractor give?
                        Advantages:
                        You can pansy *** the bolt and the brass still comes out.
                        You can tell someone at the range "all about your custom jobyjob."

                        Disadvantages:
                        You are removing material from the bolt face and the bolt nose.

                        There is value to the extraction ability of the modification IF you require excellent extraction of a difficult to manage case that is under pressured for the action. I wouldn't do it by default though (but that's just me). Like people who lower their cars "because racecar" and end up ruining the handling because they aren't suspension engineers and the guys who set the original ride height were in fact suspension engineers.
                        weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                        frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                        • #27
                          JMP
                          Internet Warrior
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 17056

                          All 3 extractor types (Rem, Sako, M16) seem to work fine for short actions. It seems to boil down to preference as I have never heard of extraction issues with any of the 3.

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                          • #28
                            LynnJr
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 7958

                            JMP
                            What happens is you over pressure a round and when you pound the bolt open with a 2x4 and a hammer you pull the factory extractor right out.
                            That is usually when a Sako or M16 goes in.
                            Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                            Southwest Regional Director
                            Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
                            www.unlimitedrange.org
                            Not a commercial business.
                            URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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