Scope Cant

[CK_32]

Is your bubble made in China like the ones you need to flick to get it too move because the air pocket is too large in relation to the total volume and length?

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Also don't look too far into those reviews on amazon and crap.


I did the same thing and just bit the bullet on my first one even tho some reviews sounded gawd awful. Reports are of them using a gel that's slow moving and inaccurate, cheap water that makes the bubble multiply into several bubbles each shot and all sorts of crap. That instantly after owning and using mine. It's ovious with the descriptions and complaints guys are putting on those sites...

They have never owned one or have not a clue wtf they are talking about and making crap up.

If your worried about a knock off POS, buy one with a good name brand on it. Like I did, Vtac, NF, ect ect. I'm sure they are still Chinese. But the fact they are branded means someone is putting their name on the product. Vs a dead end "made in China" or generic "super duper bubble scope" ad/auction that has no merit to it and doesn't care if the product is junk or not.

But I highly reccomend the Vtac due to price, wuality and the fact it's a side bubble for the reasons randall and others have listed above. NF and the other bigger price ones too, but I'm too cheap and don't need to have the fancy flip/slim line bubble rigs for my gun to shoot right.


Edit: my above statement does not apply to that b-square you just posted. That thing is ugly looking to put it nicely lol

[JMP]

Note the harris style bipod sitting on the cliff face.... I wonder if he has those ice cleats on it.....

For those that do not know what ice cleats are, they are the bipod attachments that are designed to shoot off ice/tundra/etc.

They look like this:



While they will also gain traction on dirt, if you are shooting with a brake, your gun will push and dig them deeper into the ground and lead to canting.

You want a bipod with grip and a flat base base.

The based cleats work better for multi-purpose. As there is a lot less dig.



The downside to both of these products is that they do not do well on cement and rocks.

There's a lot of sub-par bipod feet design that, if I were to speculate, we done to copy the Sako feet, which do the best job gripping all around, but that is a proprietary bipod. In regular dirt/bench/shooting mat, regular rubber usually actually works the best.

[craneman]

Man! You guys make me want to dust off the bolt gun and remember how horrible a shot I am

Hey, I don't need anymore competition being the bad shot of the group.

Come on out, seriously. I had a great time every time I went. Really good guys to shoot with and very helpful to this noob.

[JMP]

Also don't look too far into those reviews on amazon and crap.

Edit: my above statement does not apply to that b-square you just posted. That thing is ugly looking to put it nicely lol

I generally do not, but that one had glaring issues, but it came highly recommended in this thread.

Of the designs, I am liking this one:


To be honest, I am kind of looking at this one know:

coupled with:

[craneman]

Or you can do what I am going to do and put a small piece of plywood down. The rubber feet hold nicely to the rough wood and it won't sink, period. It's a bit hillbilly, but then again so am I. Not to mention, cheap.

I didn't see anything in the rules about no plywood.

[CK_32]

Hey man if you can afford it, more power to you.


IIRC that angle level is around $100... Too much for my blood. I think my Vortex was $35.

[postal]

Or you can do what I am going to do and put a small piece of plywood down. The rubber feet hold nicely to the rough wood and it won't sink, period. It's a bit hillbilly, but then again so am I. Not to mention, cheap.

I didn't see anything in the rules about no plywood.

There are some types of competitions with moving targets, and 'panning' the rifle left to right- right to left for either a mover, or multiple targets spread out across a wide area.....

The common practice, is a 'frisbee'. A regular full size plastic frisbee upside down on the ground to sit the bipod on, and slide the entire front end of the gun around.

It is detrimental for accuracy- since you cant 'load the bipod' like you're supposed to, but it gives you the 'pan' ability when required. I know a number of people with frisbees in their packs....

Otherwise, carpet/mat work fine for a regular prone position with a harris. A softer surface works better than solid like plywood- it reduces the bounce/bipod hop.

But, make do with what you have is the name of the game.

[killshot44]

Hey, slam that B Square level all you want!

It's worked on my F-Class gun for five years, no issues at all. Guess I just got the only one properly made.

It's a bubble of air in a liquid-filled tube an inch long, it's not that complicated and there's no need to pay $100 for one.

[Squidward]

Someone gots some explaining to do on what he means by scope cant.

If your scope cant, then you should spend money on a better scope that can...



Sorry, I have no self-control.

[BillyGoatCrawler]

Man, sometimes this crowd really comes off as elitist. If you're not doing it their way, you're wrong or below them mentality. Knock that off.

I use a vortex bubble. Probably a cheap chinese product. But, guess what - it works. It sits ahead of my turrets, as to not hinder my view of them, and it sits off the left side. I can view the bubble with my left eye while still looking through my scope. It also weighs next to nothing and is out of the way of all functions of the rifle. Although I like the ingenuity of Randall's method, I'd wager to say the ones like the vortex product are easier to view since it's not right in almost touching your nose and causing your eyes to focus so dramatically.

The reason has already been stated on how it affects your zero. It helps with consistency. Pretty sure Lynn, with all his experience, knows this and is trolling. I shoot in the mountains on National Forest land, from the prone, on a slope, in soft dirt that my harris swivel bipod digs into, and across a draw and into another hillside that is also on a slope. I move around in this canyon and the slopes vary around. It can be tough to keep consistent. Maybe I have an inner ear infection, or maybe you're genetically superior to me... who knows. All I know is it helps out at times.

And JMP, they're bubble "levels" not "levers."

[LynnJr]

Standish
I shoot from a level bench with a level rest and my guns have forends in the 6 inch to 2 foot width range so cant doesn't happen on my guns.
In a hurry I threw on a NXS and the scope was slightly canted to the right.
It caused quite a stir and I knew it would alter my dope a small amount but I was intrigued with all the effort my fellow shooters were putting into making sure there guns were not canted.

Not trolling just interested in everyone's thoughts on the matter.
I did receive three pm's that were fantastic and more importantly explained the science as well.
In my opinion it helps everyone when these subjects get brought up and I do own half dozen bipods.
I might go to the dark side pretty soon

[BillyGoatCrawler]

LoL. Well my mistake about the trolling.

Ever shoot a compound bow? Most all the sights on those have a level bubble because with the pronounced arc of an arrow they suffer the same effect. Rifles are just another projectile launcher that are no diff.