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  • Leon DeGamme
    Member
    • Jun 2004
    • 250

    hi cap (standard) mags.

    I am sorry if this has been asked before. I have a 13rd magazine for my Glock that I purchased around 1997. Is it legal for me to add a +2 mag extension to it making the total 15rds? Thanks for the help.
    Last edited by Leon DeGamme; 10-23-2008, 6:04 PM. Reason: added a "thank you" to the thread.
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    sorensen440
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2007
    • 8611

    Originally posted by Leon DeGamme
    I am sorry if this has been asked before. I have a 13rd magazine for my Glock that I purchased around 1997. Is it legal for me to add a +2 mag extension to it making the total 15rds? Thanks for the help.
    Yes
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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    • #3
      Leon DeGamme
      Member
      • Jun 2004
      • 250

      Is it legal to add extensions to pre-ban (1997) 10rd mags? im pretty sure its not, but can't hurt to ask.

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      • #4
        sorensen440
        Calguns Addict
        • Mar 2007
        • 8611

        Originally posted by Leon DeGamme
        Is it legal to add extensions to pre-ban (1997) 10rd mags? im pretty sure its not, but can't hurt to ask.
        Nope that would be Illegal.
        "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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        • #5
          bohoki
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 20816

          Originally posted by Leon DeGamme
          Is it legal to add extensions to pre-ban (1997) 10rd mags? im pretty sure its not, but can't hurt to ask.
          nope there was an overlap of the crimebill and ab23

          so either you broke the federal law back in 1997 or broke the ab23 law

          a magazine is a "large capacity" magazine at 11 rounds
          there is no provision in the law for "extra large capacity"

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          • #6
            Leon DeGamme
            Member
            • Jun 2004
            • 250

            Didn't think it would work but thought it was worth a try. Thanks everyone for the help.

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            • #7
              BTF/PTM
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 612

              I think this goes without saying, but you should really contact the corresponding State of California Government official to get your real answer. It's felony-grade bidniss if you get caught using a "high capacity" magazine in California.
              Originally posted by DocSkinner
              Vote pro 2A, whatever affiliation.
              SO tired of people that seem intelligent and capable of rational thought blowing that image by somehow not thinking and being a blind, party-line voter, and somehow that is good.
              Originally posted by Bizcuits
              Reading an entire thread before posting is like listening to your spouses opinion during an argument. Who the hell would do that..

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              • #8
                richie894
                Junior Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 46

                You are best to go to your local Police Dept to ask about any of these kind of legal questions. If someone gives you bad info on the board and you get caught, you could be facing a felony charge.

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                • #9
                  pilotimb
                  Member
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 321

                  Originally posted by richie894
                  You are best to go to your local Police Dept to ask about any of these kind of legal questions. If someone gives you bad info on the board and you get caught, you could be facing a felony charge.
                  No, local LEO's are NOT the ones who know the law in this area.

                  If there are any questions, contact the DOJ.

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                  • #10
                    sorensen440
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 8611

                    Originally posted by BTF/PTM
                    I think this goes without saying, but you should really contact the corresponding State of California Government official to get your real answer. It's felony-grade bidniss if you get caught using a "high capacity" magazine in California.
                    No you need to research the law yourself unfortunately
                    The opinion of your government official wont get you out of jail when you get bad information.
                    and there is no law against using a "High Capacity" mag in California unless its in a fixed magazine rifle
                    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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                    • #11
                      Dr P
                      Junior Member
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 16

                      I believe you may have acquired the 13 round magazine prior to the crime bill of 1994. From 1994 to 2004 it was a violation of federal law to transfer anything larger than a 10 round mag. (unless you were a LEO) Due to the sunset of that 1994 bill in 2004 it is no longer a violation of federal law to transfer a magazine whose capacity exceeds 10 rounds. It is however now a violation of California state law to transfer a mag of 11 rounds or more unless it is a rebuild kit to repair an existing mag you previously owned. (Before 1994) Now magazines are not usually serial numbered and unless the design changed at a particular time it is often difficult to impossible to tell when they were manufactured and therefore obtained. Californians are allowed to own and use normal capacity (>10 round) magazines, but we have not been allowed to transfer said mags under federal and or state law since 1994. Since it would have been a crime to acquire said mag in 1997, I suspect you acquired it at least 3 years earlier.

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                      • #12
                        MudCamper
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 4595

                        Originally posted by BTF/PTM
                        It's felony-grade bidniss if you get caught using a "high capacity" magazine in California.
                        No that is not correct. It is perfectly legal to possess large capacity magazines, provided you purchased them before the ban.

                        12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
                        is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
                        or in the state prison:

                        2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be
                        manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or
                        exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity
                        magazine.
                        As to the OP's original question, that's a damn good question. IMO it would be legal, if you already possessed a large capacity mag, and modified it to hold 2 more rounds, it's still a large capacity mag. Interesting.

                        Last edited by MudCamper; 10-24-2008, 3:12 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Wizard99
                          Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 375

                          Originally posted by Dr P
                          I believe you may have acquired the 13 round magazine prior to the crime bill of 1994. From 1994 to 2004 it was a violation of federal law to transfer anything larger than a 10 round mag. (unless you were a LEO) Due to the sunset of that 1994 bill in 2004 it is no longer a violation of federal law to transfer a magazine whose capacity exceeds 10 rounds. It is however now a violation of California state law to transfer a mag of 11 rounds or more unless it is a rebuild kit to repair an existing mag you previously owned. (Before 1994) Now magazines are not usually serial numbered and unless the design changed at a particular time it is often difficult to impossible to tell when they were manufactured and therefore obtained. Californians are allowed to own and use normal capacity (>10 round) magazines, but we have not been allowed to transfer said mags under federal and or state law since 1994. Since it would have been a crime to acquire said mag in 1997, I suspect you acquired it at least 3 years earlier.

                          During the Federal ban is was illeagle to manufacture for sale a magazine holding more than 10 rounds unless it was LEO marked or exported. You could still buy, sell, loan, transfer any "high capacity" magazines that had been manufactured before the ban.
                          Originally posted by Blackwater OPS
                          That's why I always say, "Handguns are for head shots".

                          Originally posted by Kestryll
                          Yeah! Let's put someone in who will appoint SCOTUS Justices that will gut Heller, that will show Bush, the Republicans and all those people who didn't see the glory that is Ron Paul!!

                          Working on the same theory, next time someone tries to mug you or beat you up, stab yourself in the scrotum first, that should keep them away...

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                          • #14
                            MudCamper
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 4595

                            Originally posted by Wizard99
                            During the Federal ban is was illeagle to manufacture for sale a magazine holding more than 10 rounds unless it was LEO marked or exported. You could still buy, sell, loan, transfer any "high capacity" magazines that had been manufactured before the ban.
                            Yep. You beat me to it. I remember buying all kinds of high-caps in the late 90's, so I just looked up the now expired federal ban to confirm and by the time I got back here you'd posted what I just read.

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                            • #15
                              ohsmily
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 8953

                              Originally posted by BTF/PTM
                              I think this goes without saying, but you should really contact the corresponding State of California Government official to get your real answer. It's felony-grade bidniss if you get caught using a "high capacity" magazine in California.
                              What the hell are you going on about???? Can you please cite the law where it prohibits the use of a high capacity magazine? You are spreading FUD of the worst kind. Also, the "state or government officials" are the people you are MOST likely to get bad information from. If you need an answer and don't want to take our word for it or take the time to research it for youself, go talk to a lawyer.
                              Last edited by ohsmily; 10-24-2008, 4:16 PM.
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