AR Pistol question

[SloChicken]

Can a person borrow an upper to complete the build ?

yes, if th person knows a person with a upper they can borrow (must be under 16").

Must be a working pistol. Single shot, and with bullet button, otherwise conforming.

But long answer made short is,

Yes.

[mshill]

A "Bolt Action" AR could be something as simple as a conventional AR with the gas tube blocked. The weapon would fire normally, but the bolt would remain locked after firing. The bolt would be manually retracted by the charging handle and a fresh round loaded from the magazine as the bolt moves forward.

Since the weapon, in that configuration, would be a "Single Shot", no mag lock would be required, and there would be no limit on magazine capacity (however any large-capacity magazines would have to be legally possessed).

^^^^ yep, its that easy. No sled required. Just make sure that when it gets converted to semi-auto a bullet button gets put on.

[CSACANNONEER]

A "Bolt Action" AR could be something as simple as a conventional AR with the gas tube blocked. The weapon would fire normally, but the bolt would remain locked after firing. The bolt would be manually retracted by the charging handle and a fresh round loaded from the magazine as the bolt moves forward.

Since the weapon, in that configuration, would be a "Single Shot", no mag lock would be required, and there would be no limit on magazine capacity (however any large-capacity magazines would have to be legally possessed).

Are you trying to say that a magazine fed firearm could qualify as a "single shot"? If so, you are mistaken.

[RickD427]

Are you trying to say that a magazine fed firearm could qualify as a "single shot"? If so, you are mistaken.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. A single shot pistol may be magazine fed.

There's a very good example of just such a weapon in the Remington XP-100R that had a four round magazine.

The Penal Code does not provide a California-specific definition of for "Single-Shot". That leaves us with the common understanding that it each round must be individually loaded (by hand or from a magazine). The existence of commercially made firearms of similar design further supports that conclusion.

The "Single-Shot" pistol is discussed in detail in Penal Code section 32100. There is no language in that section precluding the use of a magazine.

I'm certainly not perfect in my read of the law. I've been wrong before, and I'm always open to correction. If you believe that I've erred, please cite a statute, or published case decision so holding.

Just as we discussed in the other thread on the issue of mag locks on a single-shot AR, the fact that a given practice may be prevalent among manufacturers does not create a legal requirement that all manufacturers follow the practice.

[mshill]

Regardless, at the very least, an AR with gas disabled and a sled appears to meet the "bolt action" requirement for SSE2 next year, agreed?

[RickD427]

Regardless, at the very least, an AR with gas disabled and a sled appears to meet the "bolt action" requirement for SSE2 next year, agreed?

So long as it was originally manufactured that way, and not converted from a semi-auto, I would agree.

[pluke the 2]

sse2.0 hereya go

[drifts1]

I've never considered a bolt action firearm to equal to a single shot firearm. To me a single shot firearm is a firearm capable of holding only a single shot. So if you have a magazine fed firearm that holds more than 1 shot I would not consider it a single shot firearm. I dont consider the Remington Xp-100r to be a single shot because the magazine holds more than a single shot. But I guess that's just my silly common sense speaking.

[CSACANNONEER]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. A single shot pistol may be magazine fed.

There's a very good example of just such a weapon in the Remington XP-100R that had a four round magazine.

The Penal Code does not provide a California-specific definition of for "Single-Shot". That leaves us with the common understanding that it each round must be individually loaded (by hand or from a magazine). The existence of commercially made firearms of similar design further supports that conclusion.

The "Single-Shot" pistol is discussed in detail in Penal Code section 32100. There is no language in that section precluding the use of a magazine.

I'm certainly not perfect in my read of the law. I've been wrong before, and I'm always open to correction. If you believe that I've erred, please cite a statute, or published case decision so holding.

Just as we discussed in the other thread on the issue of mag locks on a single-shot AR, the fact that a given practice may be prevalent among manufacturers does not create a legal requirement that all manufacturers follow the practice.

Interesting take on the definition of "single shot" since, historically manual action firearms (bolt, pump, lever, etc.) with magazines have been called "repeaters" since they were first produced.

As far as an XP100 goes, some are single shot and others (with magazines) are not considered "single shot" by any legal or colloquial definition that I've ever seen (until now). In any case, an XP100 has been on my long list since I first fired one in the early 80's. It will move to my short list in 2015. I just need to figure out what cartridge I want it chambered in and then find a RH action fitted into a LH stock.

[RickD427]

Interesting take on the definition of "single shot" since, historically manual action firearms (bolt, pump, lever, etc.) with magazines have been called "repeaters" since they were first produced.

As far as an XP100 goes, some are single shot and others (with magazines) are not considered "single shot" by any legal or colloquial definition that I've ever seen (until now). In any case, an XP100 has been on my long list since I first fired one in the early 80's. It will move to my short list in 2015. I just need to figure out what cartridge I want it chambered in and then find a RH action fitted into a LH stock.

I understand, and agree with, your comments about "repeaters." But the term "repeater" doesn't appear in California's Penal Code. The code appears to categorize weapons (according to rate of fire) as "Single Shot", "Semi-Automatic" and "Machine Gun". Although "Single Shot" is not specifically defined in the Penal Code, both "Semi-Automatic" and "Machine Gun" are specifically defined, and in a way that excludes "repeaters". That leaves me to conclude that the type of weapon that we would call a "repeater" is a Single Shot as the term is used in the code.