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dammit, mine only ends up at 25 3/4 inches unpinned.
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I just asked a question. You are the one who, for some weird reason, thought that NFA (National Firearms Act) laws were just a California thing. There is no reason for anyone to point fingers at an entity without cause, you have done that here. You even say that one needs to cross reference both sets of laws but, you obviously did not do that and incorrectly stated that it was a CA thing. You posted something that was incorrect and now you are offended because you were called out about it. I use to do that when I was three years old but, I grew out of it by the time I was 5. If you don't want to be corrected, don't post absolute crap. Do you do the same on "medical" forums? Is your "medicine" knowledge what you have learned while standing in line at the dispensary? If you are a real medical professional, do you correct patients when they are wrong? Or, do you let them go on believing that they are correct while looking like idiots? So, I ask again, what does California have to do with Federal laws on how firearms are classified? If you don't know something, why not ask about it instead of blindly ASSuMe-ing a fact that is wrong?Last edited by CSACANNONEER; 12-11-2014, 6:43 AM.NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun and Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor
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sheesh,
touchy touchy ...
It is in our best interest to be clear we are not falling outside of California law with our conversions that are "less than conventional" modifications to our firearms - particularly in this hyper-sensitive legal climate - Whether or not it is NFA legal, has standing, but is not the final answer until the CA laws are looked at.
Again, while it is NFA appropriate to have a forward vertical grip on a pistol greater than 26", as far as I know CA has not published either code on this or opinion on this matter.
As such it is right up there with the SB15 brace as far a modification that is in legal limbo as far as CA goes.
As for correcting, a misinformed statement (which I am not so sure mine was), you didn't do that either. You just put your little cubicle commando comment that offered no guidance whatsoever, just your cute little icon implying my statement was off base.
As an "firearms instructor" (if you really are one) that is a pretty lame way of trying to instruct, don't you think ???sigpic
Originally Posted by Cali-Shooter
To me, it was a fist-fight, except that I did not counter-attack.Comment
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I should probably add, before this thread turns into a puffy chest argument, that my original point was,
California Laws suck.
Even though the ATF says it is cool, or it is in line with the NFA, often this isn't good enough for California (e.g., Off roster pistols; List of prohibited "assault rifles"; 30" minimum length for rifles in CA vs. 26" for the rest of the free world ...)
So, even though the VFG is legal per NFA and ATF nationally, doesn't necessarily mean that it is good to go in California.
Even if in this case it is legal.
Again,
California laws suck.
Which should be pretty obvious if you read the amount of misinformed people just in this thread - through no fault of their own. Just a simple fact of our f'd up legislators and what they have done to our rights.
Did I mention?
California Laws SUCK!sigpic
Originally Posted by Cali-Shooter
To me, it was a fist-fight, except that I did not counter-attack.Comment
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Under Federal laws/regulations...
A firearm with a less than 16" barrel length, a less than 26" overall length, and no shoulder stock is a Title 1 Handgun.
A firearm with a less than 16" barrel length, a greater than 26" overall length, and no shoulder stock is a Title 1 Other.
A firearm with a less than 16" barrel length, a less than 26" overall length, no shoulder stock, and a vertical forward grip is a Title 2 AOW.
A Title 1 Handgun can legally have an angled forward grip and/or horizontal forward grip attached to it.
A Title 1 Other can legally have an angled forward grip and/or horizontal forward grip and/or vertical forward grip attached to it.
A Title 2 AOW can legally have an angled forward grip and/or horizontal forward grip and/or vertical forward grip attached to it.
Under CA laws/regulations...
A firearm with a less than 16" barrel length is a "handgun". [PC 16530(a)]
A firearm with a 16" or greater barrel length is a "long gun". [PC 16865]
A "handgun" that is a bolt-action pistol, lever-action pistol, pump/slide-action pistol, semi-auto pistol with a fixed magazine, and single-shot pistol can legally have an angled forward grip and/or horizontal forward grip and/or vertical forward grip attached to it.
A "handgun" that is a semi-auto pistol that uses detachable magazines can not legally have any type of second handgrip attached to it. [PC 30515(a)(4)(B)]
Therefore, in order to comply with with Federal and CA laws...
A firearm that is considered a Title 1 Other or a Title 2 AOW and is also considered a bolt-action pistol, lever-action pistol, pump/slide-action pistol, semi-auto pistol with a fixed magazine, or single-shot pistol can legally a vertical forward grip attached to it.Last edited by Quiet; 12-11-2014, 9:30 AM.sigpic
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).Comment
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Why do you keep attacking me on a personal level because I asked you a simple question about why you think that CA has anything to do with Federal law? You just keep going on about how Ca laws suck and we have to follow both sets of laws. I do not disagree with you but, I still don't see why you thought that CA law was somehow to blame for Federal requirements. Even though it has been pointed out that Federal law allows that a FPG can be put on a firearm over 26" in length, you still choose to think that you were not incorrect about flaming Ca law for our confusing laws which, in this case, have NOTHING to do with it. You're a class act for sure. BTW, even though CA requires a +26" OAL firearm to be DROSed as a handgun, it does not meet CA's definition of a handgun. So, putting a VFG on a +26" firearm is not in violation of any CA law no matter how short the barrel is. Instead of arguing the matter, please post proof of your claims in the form of actual CA PC. Yes, there is no published Ca law regarding putting a VFG on a +26" handgun however, there is a CA law regarding SBRs and the intent of using something (like a Sig brace) as a stock instead of a brace. So, they are no where near the same and any correlation you make about them is purely imaginary. I'm always open to learning something new and, I'm a big enough person to admit when I'm wrong. I guess those are not something a sales clerk at a drug store is capable of.Last edited by CSACANNONEER; 12-11-2014, 9:31 AM.NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun and Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor
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Man there sure are a lot of people going to dispensaries around here, according to CSAComment
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and with that we are closed...sigpic
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).Comment
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