Glock Trigger Job - FFL required?

[dhc226]

Hello everybody,

I was wondering. I am a 1911 shooter, but had picked up a couple of Glocks as they are extremely reliable in unfavorable conditions (for instance when things get muddy) amongst other pros the Glock boasts. However, I hate the damned triggers on Glocks with a passion, so I went to work trying to get a 1911 pull. I had discovered a method to successfully give me a 1911 trigger pull with a 4.5# break. Shorter pre-travel that leads to a nice wall, a very crisp trigger pull and reset, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, my question is this. If I wanted to offer a service to do this for others, would I need to become an FFL or is this something that can be done without.

I don't know if this is the appropriate place to post and I do apologize if it is the wrong forum and kindly ask the moderators to place it where it belongs.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

[Press Check]

Anyways, my question is this. If I wanted to offer a service to do this for others, would I need to become an FFL or is this something that can be done without.

Yep, you would need an FFL to receive firearms in the mail. The alternative is to have the pistols brought directly to you, and perform the work while they wait.

Good luck with your venture.

[dhc226]

Thanks for the response.

Would an FFL be necessary if I were to receive only the trigger assembly? Yes, ideally it would be done for people locally, but I don't want to say no to those who would want it done. This has radically changed my entire perception of Glock as I've always been told the trigger was something you had to deal with or find another platform. Not so and I'd really like to share it with as many as possible.

[himurax13]

Hello everybody,

I was wondering. I am a 1911 shooter, but had picked up a couple of Glocks as they are extremely reliable in unfavorable conditions (for instance when things get muddy) amongst other pros the Glock boasts. However, I hate the damned triggers on Glocks with a passion, so I went to work trying to get a 1911 pull. I had discovered a method to successfully give me a 1911 trigger pull with a 4.5# break. Shorter pre-travel that leads to a nice wall, a very crisp trigger pull and reset, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, my question is this. If I wanted to offer a service to do this for others, would I need to become an FFL or is this something that can be done without.

I don't know if this is the appropriate place to post and I do apologize if it is the wrong forum and kindly ask the moderators to place it where it belongs.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Well before you go into this venture, you should try out what is already on the market. Glocks have been around for a while it is quite possible that the method you discovered is already in use.

When I think of a nice 1911 trigger, I am looking at a 2 to 3 pound break, short, positive, reset, and a crisp, creep free, glass rod snapping-like break that is 2 to 4 mm away from the rest. Something that is nearly impossible to do on a glock.

Now if you are talking about a factory trigger from the lesser offerings from Colt and Springfield that are heavy with a lot of creep with a gritty pull, then yes that is easily possible to mimic in a Glock.

Thanks for the response.

Would an FFL be necessary if I were to receive only the trigger assembly? Yes, ideally it would be done for people locally, but I don't want to say no to those who would want it done. This has radically changed my entire perception of Glock as I've always been told the trigger was something you had to deal with or find another platform. Not so and I'd really like to share it with as many as possible.

You would only need the FFL if you are recieving the frame.

[dhc226]

Well before you go into this venture, you should try out what is already on the market. Glocks have been around for a while it is quite possible that the method you discovered is already in use.

When I think of a 1911 trigger, I am looking at a 2 to 3 pound break, short, positive, reset, and a crisp, creep free, glass rod snapping-like break that is 2 to 4 mm away from the rest. Something that is nearly impossible to do on a glock.

I've spent hundreds on aftermarket triggers. Yes, its an amalgam of what others have done that I feel is a vast improvement to what the other individual trigger assemblies offer.

As I mentioned, I am a 1911 shooter. A 2-3 pound break in and of itself is not "characteristic" of a 1911 trigger pull. Wilson sets their triggers from factory at a 3.5-4# break, which already falls away from your criteria and trust me there is no finer trigger. Many 1911s come with a heavier pull (e.g. Springfield TRP at an approximate 5# break). I just finished and tested my Glock prior to posting and it is far superior to the TRP stock trigger. Anyways yes, the hinged trigger of a Glock can have short pre-travel and a crisp, significantly reduced creep (if any at all) break similar in experience to the "bow in track" trigger of a 1911. As long as it is legal, if anyone in south OC wants to give it a go, hit me up with a pm.

At any rate, I do apologize for digressing. This really is an enquiry on whether or not I would need an FFL to do the work. I do greatly appreciate you taking the time to respond though.

[dhc226]

Ah.Thanks Himurax. Just saw that you addressed receiving the frame as what would require a license in your edit. I just recall something to the effect, that any work performed on a firearm is considered gunsmithing and I believe that requires an FFL. So many CGers are knowledgable on the topic. And I do apologize if my response comes across at all curt. It is not my intention. Sometimes things read with a tone that is not intended.

[Press Check]

Thanks for the response.

Would an FFL be necessary if I were to receive only the trigger assembly?

There's an idea.

Since there seems to be a moderately high degree of continuity from one Glock frame to the next, in theory, you could have the stand-alone trigger assemblies sent to you, but it would prove prudent to have a Generation 2, 3, and 4 Glock frame in your own inventory for function testing following completion of the work.

To start, you might want to offer to modify a few assemblies for free in exchange for valuable feedback.

[himurax13]

Well I would be interested in becoming a beta tester. I have a few Glocks ranging from a Fulcrum trigger kit, Standard Trigger kit, stock with Glockworx springs, and simply bone stock.

I also have 4th gen glocks as well. One of my SSE slots has a Glock 41 on it. I would be curious to see what you could do with that without any external mods.

[dhc226]

There's an idea.

Since there seems to be a moderately high degree of continuity from one Glock frame to the next, in theory, you could have the stand-alone trigger assemblies sent to you, but it would prove prudent to have a Generation 2, 3, and 4 Glock frame in your own inventory for function testing following completion of the work.

To start, you might want to offer to modify a few assemblies for free in exchange for valuable feedback.

Thank you Press Check. Precisely as you stated, I believe I would have to limit the work to 11 models of Gen3 Glocks as the trigger assemblies are interchangeable, allowing me to safety and function test the triggers prior to returning them. As of now I am working with hardware that I have to modify to execute the trigger's "behavior". So I suppose without having the parts machined, it would be a cost I can bear to get the valuable feedback you mention.

[dhc226]

Well I would be interested in becoming a beta tester. I have a few Glocks ranging from a Fulcrum trigger kit, Standard Trigger kit, stock with Glockworx springs, and simply bone stock.

I also have 4th gen glocks as well. One of my SSE slots has a Glock 41 on it. I would be curious to see what you could do with that without any external mods.

Whereabout do you reside? You seem to be well aware of the limitations intrinsic to Glock's trigger grouping, thus I'd imagine you would have realistic expectations. Reasonable expectations I feel I can exceed.

[himurax13]

Whereabout do you reside? You seem to be well aware of the limitations intrinsic to Glock's trigger grouping, thus I'd imagine you would have realistic expectations. Reasonable expectations I feel I can exceed.

Umm, better than stock? LOL

It would be nice to be able to keep the pistol legal for SSP and Production but since it is a .45, that might be a pointless affair.

Reduced pre and post travel would be nice but what I am mainly looking for is a short reset and a nice crisp break.

I live near the 118 and 405 intersection but I am not sure when I will pick up the 41. Either early next month or early January.

[dhc226]

Haha! A tad better than stock. lol

I don't make my way to the Valley much, but have been planning to get out to Oak Tree. Maybe we can meet up there sometime. Maybe you can try out my G35, which had one of the worst triggers I have ever had the displeasure of handling. You won't know what I started with, but we can see if you like where it ended. Please note that everything is with stock parts just worked over or modified so the safety mechanisms function with the shortened pre-travel (my pre travel was reduced by over half). I will not lighten the trigger to go any lighter than 4 pounds. I'm not saying you are one of them, but most people do not know how to handle a 3# trigger. I did a trigger job on a Nighthawk Custom that broke right at 3#s. After seeing my friend shoot it, I took it to 3.75 with immediacy. It can be done with a simple swapping of springs and if you want to go so far as a 3.5 disconnector, but the point is I think a prosecutor would have a field day with that if you had to use it in a defense situation.

[_TomT_]

Glocks are braindead simple. You can buy a pre-made trigger which you can easily drop it without needing a gunsmith. There are tons of youtube videos on how to do this.

[dhc226]

Glocks are braindead simple. You can buy a pre-made trigger which you can easily drop it without needing a gunsmith. There are tons of youtube videos on how to do this.

Yes, swapping out a Glock trigger assembly requires very little use of one's intellect. Almost as little as responding to a thread without actually reading it through.

[himurax13]

Haha! A tad better than stock. lol

I don't make my way to the Valley much, but have been planning to get out to Oak Tree. Maybe we can meet up there sometime. Maybe you can try out my G35, which had one of the worst triggers I have ever had the displeasure of handling. You won't know what I started with, but we can see if you like where it ended. Please note that everything is with stock parts just worked over or modified so the safety mechanisms function with the shortened pre-travel (my pre travel was reduced by over half). I will not lighten the trigger to go any lighter than 4 pounds. I'm not saying you are one of them, but most people do not know how to handle a 3# trigger. I did a trigger job on a Nighthawk Custom that broke right at 3#s. After seeing my friend shoot it, I took it to 3.75 with immediacy. It can be done, but the point is I think a prosecutor would have a field day with that if you had to use it in a defense situation.

Well I have had my my Gen 4 G35 for a few years and it just sucked. I finally went and splurged and bought an entire Fulcrum kit and a Dot connector and now its not terrible.

I love hair triggers. One of my Shadow is 1.5 lbs and my Springer 1911 is at 2 lbs. I mainly shoot for competition and I roll my iwn ammo so I am not worried about legalities.

Neither of them will be used for intruders. I have a Glock 23C with no trigger mods and nightsights and store bought hollowpoints for that.