I will Never buy online with knesek guns in AZ before reading what I am buying.

[bwhited]

Even though the fine print should be read, if the shopping cart says one price but you are charged a higher price then the vendor is at fault.

[Fenr1r]

If the fees are listed in a FAQ or something then yea I understand having the pay the extra.

However, it's shady as hell business practice and you have full right to out the company and provide names so that others don't fall for the same trap.

I would also contact your bank and see if they can be of any assistance.

[Condorguns]

@pofoo I'm just going to eat the $179 loss. ($77 from knesek, $102 NSF charges)
And there goes my $200visa rebate. FML

@condor so I'm supposed to read FAQ's on every website before ordering? Really?

@cali I purchased numerous firearms online (I prolly say 20+) of my firearm inventory were online purchases, and never came across this ever.

@noveawill your at 3 posts bro and u wanna post "nice sharing guys"???

Yes.

I popped over to the site and also noticed this on the page when you bring up an item.

We make it our goal to be competitive, our prices reflect a 4% discount for payment by cash, check or money order. Other forms of payment will be subject to additional fees. Arkansas residents are subject to sales tax.*

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The price of that gun is $810.00. How did you factor in shipping when deciding how much money to transfer?

[ke6guj]

Yes.

I popped over to the site and also noticed this on the page when you bring up an item. .

The price of that gun is $810.00. How did you factor in shipping when deciding how much money to transfer?

and when I tried to order that gun, when I selected the shipping option, it ended up being $35 for Fedex, which is already $5 over the $840 the OP made available.

[static2126]

Yeah read the fine print...they have been good to me (Knesek)

[static2126]

If the fees are listed in a FAQ or something then yea I understand having the pay the extra.

However, it's shady as hell business practice and you have full right to out the company and provide names so that others don't fall for the same trap.

I would also contact your bank and see if they can be of any assistance.

What will the bank do? the fee is fair based on the fine print.

[Onlyincali]

You should be able to get the NSF fees refunded quite easily unless its happened many times before. Just call and explain what happened, they should reverse the fees within minutes.

[Fenr1r]

What will the bank do? the fee is fair based on the fine print.

OPs overdraft charge. Isn't that was the NSF was he was talking about?

[bwhited]

I think there is a good chance that the bank will do something if the shopping cart (invoice) is different from what was charged no matter what the fine print says.

What will the bank do? the fee is fair based on the fine print.

[jpm804]

Sucks that you were hit with the NSF fees. With most online firearms purchases I have found that you really do have to check if they charge a CC fee since we are use to most online retailers not charging a CC fee and just baking it into the price.

Nice thing is some online retailers do offer that tier pricing where you can save some money if you do decide to pay with cash / money order versus CC. Which it sounds like was the case with Knesek. I usually pick the cash option with the retailer if they offer it to same a little bit or don't need it right away.

Also it looks like they did mentioned the 4% CC fee in their FAQ's

http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/pages/FAQs:

Q: What credit cards do you accept?
A: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and Discover. Please be aware that credit cards are subject to a 4% processing fee.

But it sounds like they might not have explicitly called it out in their checkout which is something you might want to bring to their attention if that was the case...

[TitanCi]

I HATE those credit card fees, technically they aren't supposed to pass that on to the customer, it's a fee paid by the merchant.

However, that site explicitly states that CC will incur a 4% charge. Places like that and Buds charge that, my local FFLs do if you use card too. The only place online I've seen that doesn't charge that fee is GAG. However, I don't know if they've already factored the 3-4% into their price already...

[ruchik]

@condor so I'm supposed to read FAQ's on every website before ordering? Really?

As another poster said:

Uh....yeah. Purchasing a firearm online is like any other transaction, it's a legally binding agreement. If you buy from them, you are agreeing to their terms and conditions. It sucks to be in your position, can't argue with that, but their terms were there for you to read and decide whether or not to buy from them.

The better question is, since you're buying a firearm and not something like a pack of gum, why would you NOT read the fine print?

[Ronin2]

You really are so naive that you are not aware that most gun stores online advertise a "cash price" and that they are not going to "eat" the +/- 3% charge that they incur when they accept your credit card instead of cash?

Sounds like a combination of "penny wise and dollar dumb" combined with "buck fever". Sounds like you should stick to buying stuff you can see and handle in person. The financial complexities of the Internet seem to be a but too much for you.

So you missed this on the page you click on "BEFORE" you proceed to order your gun?

"We make it our goal to be competitive, our prices reflect a 4% discount for payment by cash, check or money order. Other forms of payment will be subject to additional fees. Arkansas residents are subject to sales tax. "

And you also IGNORED this entire bit of information on the page asking you to choose your form of payment? Right above the box that you put all your credit card information in? REALLY?

"Please select the preferred payment method to use on this order. We prefer payment by cash, check or money order and our prices reflect a 4% discount for those payment methods. Other forms of payment will be subject to additional fees. Arkansas residents are subject to sales tax. Your card will not be run or payment required before a sales representative contacts you to finalize the transaction. Given ETAs are from the most current information we have received from manufacturers and are subject to change. We will fill your order as quickly as possible."

Kinda like all those dumb assess who bought houses and didn't think to READ the terms of the loan before signing.

Never again will I buy from knesek guns in AZ. Wish the employee had some kind of heart to atleast throw something in for my inconvenience but they didn't even try.

Really? I can guarantee you nor anyone else will ever buy a gun again from Knesek guns in Az. because they are not in Arizona, they are in Arkansas.." But your the brain surgeon ordering guns online who knows when he has been "ripped off huh? Were you staying in a "Holiday Inn Express" when you made your "big buy"?

And you have the audacity and the sense of entitlement to think you should have been compensated by an employee for your ignorance and stupidity? Really? No wonder our country is going down the tubes.

[Ronin2]

Gun owners like the OP give the rest of us a bad name....

They had hidden charges that was not listed on thier checkout and added it separately, and just emailed the new invoice.

Here is that pesky page on the Knesek Guns web site where you actually pay for the order in your "shopping basket" and arrange to pay for your purchase.




You felt deserving of some extra compensation from this business for being STUPID????

In my opinion, you owe Kenesk Guns a freaking public apology......

To all the other CalGunners who clearly like the taste of Kool-Aid as they came to the OP's defense; I would invoke those words of wisdom spoken by President Ronald Reagan when asked about his nuclear arms reduction agreement with the Soviet Union; "trust but verify!"

I'll try again...clearly the OP does not get it.. Which may be indicative of the real root of the problem....

[Ronin2]

here is the bottom of that same payment page with that dishonest, sneaky section that asked you about your preferred method of shipping so they can calculate your shipping charges...

I can see how dishonest these guys are and how "badly they tricked you". They clearly "have no honor" and definitely should have "given you something" to make up for all your inconvenience.