Carrying a GLOCK.... Safely?

[PolishMike]

Don't pull the trigger.

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[Citadelgrad87]

There is no difference between a Glock and a revolver. If you can't keep your finger off the trigger, you have no business handling a weapon. It wouldn't matter how many safeties a gun comes with, the idiots will still shoot themselves. And putting aftermarket anything on a carry gun, except sights and grips, is a bad idea, which if your issueing agency inspects the weapon will not approve it nor will Glock stand behind it. Plus the most important part of all, what if the aftermarket thingy keeps your Glock from going bang when you need it to?

There's a tremendous difference between my glock and ANY revolver I have or have ever fired. To say otherwise is silly. The difference as it directly relates to discharges while holstering is about 10 lbs of extra DA trigger weight in the revolvers.

That said, every holstering mishap I've looked into involved leather from an unsuited or worn out holster substituting for a finger, or a finger itself, inside the trigger guard.

Keep your finger on the frame until you're on target and ready to fire, and check Your equipment every time you use it. When reholstering, same rule, keep your finger out of the guard.

I Shot my g27 for a couple years in IDPA and never had or saw another individual have an unintended discharge.

[19K]

Is your Glock broken? Does it fire when you don't pull the trigger? I have no issues carrying mine. I carry because it doesn't have a safety You can train all you want but until you have actually needed to use your firearm all your training may go out the window.

[Exile Machine]

I too had the same concerns about carrying a GLOCK safely. I found a very obscure aftermarket device that prevents my finger from actuating the trigger while carrying. It's called a Holster. I use it every time I carry the GLOCK. So far no NDs.
-Mark

[HPBrowningMK3]

Zero issues with mine and I am, in not so humble opinion, a speed demon when it comes to drawing my gun from any position. I reholster carefully while keeping my index finger off trigger.

OP, please don't take this the wrong way, but if you are not comfortable with Glock's safety, start training with your gun *empty* and no ammo in the same room and really spend some time building your skills. If you are still not comfortable, there are other fine guns available.

[KahrGuy9]

There's a tremendous difference between my glock and ANY revolver I have or have ever fired. To say otherwise is silly. The difference as it directly relates to discharges while holstering is about 10 lbs of extra DA trigger weight in the revolvers.
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You haven't tried a New York 2 spring with a 8lb connector, that's much heavier than any doulbe action revolver I ever owned.

But I didn't mean weight of trigger pull, I meant that neither the revolver or the Glock will go bang until you pull the trigger. Just like any other handgun despite how many buttons you need to engage before it goes bang.

And I have run my G17 in USPSA for 16 years, it never went off by itself, but I have witnessed severeal AD's duing reloads, draws and unloads. Not just Glocks either, all kinds, 1911's, DA/SA platforms.

[jdben92883]

Actually, it got you un-thinking. If you are leaning towards using a product like the trigger chastity belt you linked to, you should not be carrying any firearm via holster...Glock or otherwise.

Hello all,

After spending some time on Youtube looking at all the Negligent Discharge's and people shooting themselves in the leg, It got me thinking and then looking at products on the market to see what Folks are doing to try to avoid a ND?

I came across this and wanted to hear peoples thoughts and if any of you are using this added safety feature on Your EDC Glock(s)?

http://www.amazon.com/Siderlock-Trigger-Safety-System-instructions/dp/B0050R6P2K/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1173

Input is very much appreciated,
Thanks

[Decoligny]

Your "Carrying a GLOCK.... Safely?" is an entirely baseless question.

A negligent discharge will occur because of negligence. You can't cure ignorance with a product change. Consider this: Given that most of the ND's with Glocks is a lack of an external safety, the ignorant will leave the safety in the OFF position. A loaded gun with the safety in the OFF position is as likely to discharge in the same person's hands.

My Baretta has a safety. i can carry it without the safety on withou the worry of an ND. It also has a hammer that unless cocked back requires a long pull of the trigger. Doesn't go off with a touch of the finger.

However, as others have noted practice is critical. Whenever I practfe drawing my Baretta, I always disengage the safety while drawing. Muscle memory. In a SD situation you will do what you have done before so long as you have done it a couple thousand time the same exact way.

[twotacocombo]

As long as you keep your finger off the trigger and the holster area free of excess dangly bits (drawstrings come to mind), your gun isn't going to fire itself. It does feel strange walking around with a loaded weapon in your pants at first, but you'll just have to have some faith that it's not randomly going to go off without user intervention. When I holster, I look down to make sure it's clear of obstructions, then finger completely off the pistol in the air while putting it in. It looks a bit silly, but it completely removes both of the major factors for a ND from the equation. Develop a ritual something like this so you can put your mind at ease, instead of relying on some gadget to give you a false sense of security.

[oath-keeper]

Quality holster, train, practice and train some more. Round in chamber, holstered hundreds of times at range, home. Carry all day everyday, Never once have I had a discharge that wasn't purposeful......

[caliberetta]

I have been shooting for 24 years. In that time, all my guns, of which I have owned several, have had a manual, external safety mechanism. A Safety is engrained into my firearm operation psyche.

I bought a Glock for the first time this year, and I absolutely love the Glock, and it is my chosen weapon for civilian warfare.

I am not comfortable that it doesn't have a safety of some sort. Many people will tell you not to do it to a Glock. They have a right to their opinion, and may be even be correct in many situations... but not ALL.

Those of us who believe every gun should have an external safety also have very good reasons to back up our beliefs. There are many dead and gravely injured bodies to support those beliefs. It may even be argued that the risk of Unintended Discharge is greater than the risk of having to draw and fire your weapon RIGHT NOW.

And contrary to the FUD that has stained this thread, a Glock can go off even without the finger on the trigger or a bad holster, and that can happen to the most experience users, with decades of experience behind them, this is a fact.

I apologize in advance to those guys who don't believe in safeties on the Glock and are ready to either have a hissy fit or insult me over my comments. This is just my opinion and I don't insist it becomes law. What I do believe in is people should have a choice, and people should respect those that assess risks differently.

If you feel your firearm needs a safety, especially for CCW purposes, I say trust your instinct. There was once a time when everyone thought wearing seatbelts were not cool in cars and helmets weren't cool for motorcycles. I am old enough to remember people laughing/insulting those who felt the need for seatbelts or helmets. I believe the same mass thinking is happening with safety on firearms. I say trust what your insides are telling you.

I looked into many options, but the one I chose is the Safe-T-Block product which I have been evaluating it for several weeks. I am still on the fence whether I'm going to use it or just re-train myself to get used to the Glock, as is.





In my opinion, for CCW and HD, the Saf-T-Block is better than the Siderlock referenced in the OP. This is because the mechanism to eject it from the firearm is larger, easier to find and very very unlikely to be fumbled. Your shooting finger will feel the protrusion on the Saf-T-Block before it feels the frame of the gun.

In comparison to the Saf-T-Block, the Siderlock button is small and it will require greater fine motor skills to locate it and disengage. The Siderlock seems to be a great product for a non-CCW or non-HD specific Glock though (for those that want a safety).

Here are my notes on the Pros and Cons of the Saf-T-Blok, after evaluating it for several weeks:

PROS:

-It's quite a reliable and solid trigger safety for the Glock.
-It attaches to the gun in a very solid way
-It's cheap
-3 second install
-Good, simple concept - much like the pin on a grenade. Except it's faster, because it's a one-finger pop-out.
-With the gun in your hand, your trigger finger immediately feels the protrusion from the saf-t-block, so you immediately know its right there waiting for your to pop it off (less chances to forget in an emergency situation).
-It has a provision to install a combination or key lock on it.
- It's a universal fit for just about all Glocks after '98.
- Lastly, to a person that doesn't know anything about it, it takes a little while to figure out what you have to do to make the trigger work. This is a big plus for CCW holders who want to minimize the risk that their firearm will be used against them. If your firearm is pulled from your holster in a struggle or if "you are made" by the bad guy, unless he knows what the Saf-T-Block is, he is unlikely to realize the block is there. If he tries to fire the weapon, he will feel a rock-solid, unmovable trigger, and this buys precious time. Due to the long list of dead and gravely injured Law Enforcement and Armed Citizens who have been shot by perps with their own gun, there is much value in this.

CONS:

-It will literally fly across the room when you pop it out (yes, across the room). In non-emergency times, you have to block it with your other hand to prevent it from getting away.
- It is not compatible with many Kydex holsters. Some Kydex holsters may be safely modified to accommodate it. It is however, compatible with some Leather holsters (I know for sure it works just fine with a Bianchi Pro 100, mod 10A).
- Because it flies across the room, it is difficult to practice with. You have to find a way to tether it to the gun for practice purposes.
- It's a relatively small piece of plastic, and so its easy to lose when you detach it from the gun. It's a good idea to keep a spare.
-The product is Left or Right-Hand Specific. It's very awkward to remove your weak hand, thus if you are shot and stronger hand/arm is disabled, it will take an extra few seconds to disengage the Saf-T-Block with your weak hand.

Overall it's product I highly recommend to any one who wants a Safety on the Glock. I got mine on eBay for $14 each, shipped.

[Citadelgrad87]

You haven't tried a New York 2 spring with a 8lb connector, that's much heavier than any doulbe action revolver I ever owned.

But I didn't mean weight of trigger pull, I meant that neither the revolver or the Glock will go bang until you pull the trigger. Just like any other handgun despite how many buttons you need to engage before it goes bang.

And I have run my G17 in USPSA for 16 years, it never went off by itself, but I have witnessed severeal AD's duing reloads, draws and unloads. Not just Glocks either, all kinds, 1911's, DA/SA platforms.

Right, neither goes bang unless you pull the trigger. But without a New York trigger, a Glock takes far less to pull that trigger. I've seen the aftermath of retention straps finding their way in front of that trigger, and I don't think that would happen with a revolver.

[CK_32]

Out of curiosity, how many of the NDs that you found on Youtube dealt with holsters that had positive retention such as Serpa?

Yea from the sound of it he saw the Tex video and then the 1 million people who spoke on how crappy the holsters are all because of one idiot. "The shot seen around the world."

[KahrGuy9]

I bought a Glock for the first time this year, and I absolutely love the Glock, and it is my chosen weapon for civilian warfare.

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I though this was about CCW. What's civilian warfare?

[lawaia]

All of these add-on safety items for Glocks force you to put your finger on or near the trigger to disengage them. Personally, I don't want my finger near the trigger until I'm ready to discharge the weapon. Finger near or on the trigger = greater opportunity for a mishap. JMO.

We each have an individual responsibility to evaluate the pros and cons of how we carry, and train to mitigate the risks associated as such.