AR Pistol Lower Questions

[Adobe]

Hey Guys,

I have been looking into getting a AR Pistol lower, But in my research on forums and other sites it has to be completed pistol or an 80% Lower. But this info I am not finding on the DOJ or confirmed facts other then word of mouth. I have asked the DOJ and haven't heard back yet.

Here is my stupid noob questions:

In California the lower receiver is the "gun" correct?

If so, Why cant we get a build AR Pistol Lower (or any lower for that matter) with a bullet button and add a "single shot sled" in it and register it under the single shot exemption? Has anyone gotten this answered? If you have something that is a definite yes or no answer here please link it.

In case what you are wondering by what I meant "built lower" here is one I was looking. Spikes will also let you add a "single shot sled" to it.

http://www.spikestactical.com/pistol-556-lower-w-standard-kit-p-538.html

Thanks your time and help!

[Quiet]

CA unsafe handgun laws...

There are no AR Pistols or AR receivers on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

Therefore, they need to be obtained via an exempt method.

Which means a CA FFL dealer can only transfer an AR receiver to you as a "handgun" if:
1. You are a LEO.
2. It is being done as a PPT.
3. It is being done as an out-of-state intra-familial gift.

Since an "80% receiver" is legally not a firearm, it can be transferred without the use of a FFL and can then be used to legally build a dimensionally compliant single-shot AR Pistol.

[HappyCamper781]

You can't transfer just a lower because you cannot complete the safe handling demonstration since it's not a completed pistol.

[Adobe]

Thanks for the answer guys, but this doesn't answer my questions.

@ Quiet: The single shot would make it exempt as a completed gun. If the lower is the "gun", why can't you single shot exempt it?

@ HappyCamper781: Don't you have to show the safe handling of a gun with rifles too? You can't do that with a AR rifle lower.

[scoobie]

you need a 6 inch barrel too, where is the barrel on a lower?

[Adobe]

@ Scoobie: Why a six inch barrel? There are a lot of pistols that have less then a six inch barrel being sold in California.

[scoobie]

a single shot exemption must have a 6 inch or greater barrel, why do you think there are all these pictures of gen 4 glocks with extra long barrels?

[lunaaftunisa]

nice share guys....

[HappyCamper781]

You can transfer a built pistol lower... I did... I simply had to donate a built upper and transfer it as a completed pistol, from Ed's Tactical Armoury.

[morrcarr67]

Thanks for the answer guys, but this doesn't answer my questions.

@ Quiet: The single shot would make it exempt as a completed gun. If the lower is the "gun", why can't you single shot exempt it?

Single shot would imply that you can actually fire a single shot from the firearm.

If you have this:



How are you going to fire a shot from it?

Also, as mentioned the law for single shot pistols state that they MUST have a 6" minimum barrel AND an overall length of at least 10.5". So as you can see in the picture you are missing a very important piece of the puzzle.

@ HappyCamper781: Don't you have to show the safe handling of a gun with rifles too? You can't do that with a AR rifle lower.

The last rifle I bought from Turners I did not have to do a safe handling demo on it. Turners is such a large company that they do everything by the book and even ad a few steps to cover their fuzzy back side. If it was required I'm sure they would have made me do it.

[saudadeii]

Thanks for the answer guys, but this doesn't answer my questions.

@ HappyCamper781: Don't you have to show the safe handling of a gun with rifles too? You can't do that with a AR rifle lower.

Safe Handling demo is handguns only, for now.

[scoobie]

Long gun safe handling demo begins in 2015.

[cosmos7]

You can't transfer just a lower because you cannot complete the safe handling demonstration since it's not a completed pistol.

More importantly it's because stripped lowers are transfered as a long gun in this state. Once you do that, it can't become a pistol.

[Quiet]

Long gun safe handling demo begins in 2015.

Along with needing a Firearm Safety Certificate (FSC).

[HappyCamper781]

You all missed the part about the AR-Pistol being a HANDGUN according to California Law, so yes, they SHOULD make you perform safe handling currently for an AR-Pistol.