For Glocks: SAFE-DRAW (Don't Be "That" Guy)

[Murmur]

I have Safariland holsters as well, I'm a huge fan of the 6360/6365, but I'm faster out of a SERPA. None of my SERPA holsters have ever let me down and have proved themselves in the environments I work in. If and when one fails mechanicaly, then I will re-evaluate their place on my duty rig.

As for trainers not allowing them in their classes... that's their decision. Some don't allow retention holsters at all.

Regardless of how you feel; I will never blame the equipment, when it was the act of an individual that is ultimately to blame.

I agree. SERPAs are good equipment and combat proven. When you are on mission in a challenging environment your sidearm needs to stay put. Never once had an issue with my Blackhawk on 2 deployments, nor did I see anyone else have a ND due to holster.

[Artema]

I agree. SERPAs are good equipment and combat proven. When you are on mission in a challenging environment your sidearm needs to stay put. Never once had an issue with my Blackhawk on 2 deployments, nor did I see anyone else have a ND due to holster.

My M9 was round chambered, safety off, just the serpa. No problems here. I don't really get this device though. I'm not sure how it helps.

[Arkangel]

Obviously, no.

But then again, not everyone shooting themselves in the leg uses a Glock yet look at the replies in this thread compared to the defense of derpa holsters.

That's because no one here is bashing Glocks or 1911s. Or claiming that their method of operation is unsafe

How you can accept that user error is at fault for an ND, and not the firearm; yet also place blame on a holster is beyond me.

[hossb7]

I agree. SERPAs are good equipment and combat proven. When you are on mission in a challenging environment your sidearm needs to stay put. Never once had an issue with my Blackhawk on 2 deployments, nor did I see anyone else have a ND due to holster.

Yet countless organizations ban it's use, including but not limited to:

Todd Green
Kyle Defoor
Pat Rogers
Larry Vickers
Ken Hackathorn
Gunsite
Grey Group
Department of Energy
FLETC
National Parks Service

Check the lengthy thread on warrior talk for more information.

That's because no one here is bashing Glocks or 1911s. Or claiming that their method of operation is unsafe

How you can accept that user error is at fault for an ND, and not the firearm; yet also place blame on a holster is beyond me.

Because the derpa does not set you up for success.

[Varg Vikernes]

I use SERPA holsters, and have for years (both duty and CQC), In that time, after countless draws and I don't know how much live fire training, I have never placed or had my finger come close to touching the trigger before I made the conscious decision to place it there.

I have no idea why some people blame a holster, when it's the person operating the firearm that pulls the trigger.

When some idiot shoots themselves in the leg, I don't blame the gun, or the holster. I blame the idiot.

I think some of the reason is people getting their clothes caught in the holster as well.

[Arkangel]

Because the derpa does not set you up for success.

I beg to differ. Out of my level III SERPA I can draw and fire in .8 seconds...

This may not impress you, but it's that fastest I can bring my gun to a fight. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

I'm curious though... have you actually used a SERPA yourself?

[Dragon]

Yet countless organizations ban it's use, including but not limited to:

Todd Green
Kyle Defoor
Pat Rogers
Larry Vickers
Ken Hackathorn
Gunsite
Grey Group
Department of Energy
FLETC
National Parks Service

Check the lengthy thread on warrior talk for more information.




Because the derpa does not set you up for success.

They ban , because its easier than baby sitting .

[SonofWWIIDI]

If you are stupid enough to pull the trigger while drawing a Glock, or any other pistol or revolver, then you are to stupid to carry a gun. It is not accidental or negligent, it is just stupid.

Col Jeff Cooper said stay away from stupid people.

And stupid should hurt.

Glock leg
A condition where a person shoots himself (or herself) in the leg while holstering their Glock pistol.

This can happen with any weapon yielded by a careless user, but it is common among Glock pistols due to the lack of a manual safety, relatively light trigger pull, and lack of a proper hammer to push on while holstering.

Urban dictionary.

[hossb7]

I'm curious though... have you actually used a SERPA yourself?

I have. And I prefer Safariland for retention/duty use.

They ban , because its easier than baby sitting .

I guess I never thought of it as Serpa users needing babysitting but I suppose it's not far from the mark

[hossb7]

I beg to differ. Out of my level III SERPA I can draw and fire in .8 seconds...

This may not impress you, but it's that fastest I can bring my gun to a fight. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

That is an impressive draw speed, however the serpa doesn't lead to that - you sound like a naturally good shooter. It would be impressive to see your times out of an open top holster.

[Arkangel]

That is an impressive draw speed, however the serpa doesn't lead to that - you sound like a naturally good shooter. It would be impressive to see your times out of an open top holster.

I guess next time someone asks who's the fastest draw, I can just leave the hood down on one of my 6280s

[hossb7]

I guess next time someone asks who's the fastest draw, I can just leave the hood down on one of my 6280s

Fastest I got on my 6280 with a P226 was 1.1 or 1.12, somewhere in there.