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  • beetle
    The Clip guy
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2009
    • 1677

    A classic saved from destruction

    This is the story of an old lady who had her father's gun. One day old lady saw that her city was about to have a gun buyback. She decided it was time to get rid of that old heirloom and even receive a $100 gift card in return.

    So she found the old box and got ready to turn it in.

    LUCKILY before she could do that she mentioned her plan to a friendly neighbor. Neighbor was not a gun expert, but felt that the gun might be worth more than the $100 being offered. Neighbor decided to help her since the old lady was on a tight budget and could put any extra money to good use.

    Neighbor brought the gun to a local gun store and gun store owner called me. You see folks, it helps to be on good terms with your FFL especially if you are a collector.

    Gun store owner - "Hey beetle, got something here I think you'll want to see!"

    So I make the drive to the store and meet up with the neighbor and owner of the gun. She pulls this out of a bag.



    At first I'm thinking -- "What the heck did they drag me down here for? That box is BEAT! I'm thinking rusty hunk of junk in the box?"

    but before I go on, let's talk about the history of the Colt Super 38....

    Wanted: Handgun that can go toe-to-toe with the Mobsters!


    The Volstead act outlawed alcoholic drinks in the United States during the 1920s. It also made the business of illegally manufacturing, importing, or selling of alcohol highly profitable. As you can imagine criminals stepped in and soon started making a lot of money. We saw mobsters like Al Capone rise during this era.

    The mobsters were well funded and had the latest in weaponry, including the famous Thompson automatic ("tommy gun"). Law enforcement at that time found themselves outgunned. The .38 revolver that was ubiquitous among law enforcement simply did not have the penetration and stopping power needed against the mobsters. With a velocity of about 800 feet per second, it did not have the power to penetrate car doors or body armor of the time.

    By the late 20s the situation was pretty dire. Gang violence was on the rise (St Valentines Day Massacre). So law enforcement asked the gun manufacturers of the day to come up with something more effective -- a gun or round that could penetrate automobiles and body armor.

    Colt was the first to respond. In 1927 Colt started developing a new pistol that would used an improved round. In 1929 Colt introduced the "38 Super", which was simply the old .38 ACP round loaded to higher pressures.



    So What Was In the Box?
    Luckily I was able to clean up that mess of medical tape on the box. The box itself is highly collectible.



    I had to be extra careful on the bottom of the box. The Colt practice at the time was to write the serial number in pencil on the bottom. The serial number is still there and ties the box to the gun.



    Ah yes, nice. The original labels and paperwork are still there!



    Enough with the tease -- show us the gun!

    Alright, enough teasing. While I was disappointed in the condition of the box, what was inside took my breath away. The gun itself is near mint, easily 99%+!



    The only area that has wear is on the trigger itself, and that is simply from use.







    Out of allowed pics per post, continued next post
  • #2
    beetle
    The Clip guy
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2009
    • 1677



    The owner also brought along a single box of vintage ammo (also held together by the same medical tape). A-ha! a big clue of why this gun is in such great shape. Only 9 rounds are missing from this box. Is it possible that the owner has only fired one mag through this gun?!?!



    Back to our story....

    While the Super 38 became popular with civilians, it never was a big hit with law enforcement. For the most part police officers preferred revolvers. In addition, J Edgar Hoover thought automatics were "gangster" guns and required federal officers to carry revolvers.

    When Colt introduced the .38 super, Smith and Wesson responded with it's own upscaled round -- the .38/44. However this was more of a stop-gap measure, and a few years later Smith and Wesson introduced it's now famous .357 Magnum. The first gun to chamber the .357 magnum was the Smith and Wesson Registered Magnum.



    This little stamp means that this gun is one of the first, a "Registered" magnum. Because of Hoover's preference for revolvers, Reg #1 was presented to him (it has been lost in time).



    The .357 became wildly successful, the .38 super less so. However, the .38 super is popular in countries where military ammunition is prohibited (9mm and .45ACP). In fact, the .38 super is the most popular caliber in Mexico. In addition, the super .38 is popular in shooting sports because of it's extremely flat trajectory.

    The two "gangster stoppers" -- a 1929 First Year Colt Super 38 and a 1936 Smith and Wesson Registered Magnum.




    Conclusion
    It pays to be friends with your FFL, I ended up paying him a "finder's fee".

    Ultimately it was a nice day -- FFL made some money for simply connecting the dots, old lady got MUCH more than $100 for her father's gun, and I got a vintage collectible in MINT condition. WIN-WIN-WIN for all!
    Last edited by beetle; 03-30-2014, 10:16 PM.

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    • #3
      mlevans66
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2009
      • 9516

      Man that is one GREAT find! That looks real good. So how much you pay?
      The liberal see's the glass as half full and tries to take more.
      The conservative see's glass as half empty and tries to keep it that way.
      I'm with the people on the side just pouring water in the glass trying to get a drink!

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      • #4
        Beetle Bailey
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2004
        • 2620

        Holy gucamole! Not only are your guns absolutely amazing, but it seems the stories of how you acquire them are exciting as well. Congrats!
        "All bad precedents began as justifiable measures." Julius Caesar

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        • #5
          trigger945
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2012
          • 5795

          All I can say is WOW!
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          • #6
            hermosabeach
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2009
            • 19410

            That almost belongs in a museum.


            And yes- a ton of gun owners buy
            A cool gun
            A box of ammo
            Shoot a few
            Consider themselves good to go.
            Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

            Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

            Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

            Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
            (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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            • #7
              mlevans66
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2009
              • 9516

              While the Super 38 became popular with civilians, it never was a big hit with law enforcement. For the most part police officers preferred revolvers. In addition, J Edgar Hoover thought automatics were "gangster" guns and required federal officers to carry revolvers.
              ...."Gangster guns"? How are those kinda people in charge? The semi auto is just effective. What a tool. Anyway, that revolver is sweet also. Congrats!
              The liberal see's the glass as half full and tries to take more.
              The conservative see's glass as half empty and tries to keep it that way.
              I'm with the people on the side just pouring water in the glass trying to get a drink!

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              • #8
                Dannicus
                Veteran Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 2577

                That colt is amazing. I've never seen one. Are they the same size as a .45ACP 1911, or scaled down? Also, they came with an arched MSH?

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                • #9
                  desertrunner303
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 190

                  WOW!!! Great story, thank you for sharing!!

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                  • #10
                    Intimid8tor
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 6607

                    Wow!!! Win for everyone!
                    Starve the beast, move to a free state.

                    Bwiese: "You are making the assumption the law is reasonable/has rationale."

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                    • #11
                      OUTLAWZ
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 833

                      What a beautiful find, Thanks for sharing!

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                      • #12
                        Gringo Bandito
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 1835

                        oh sweet mother of...

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                        • #13
                          TopGun551
                          Junior Member
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 38

                          Congratulations on a wonderful acquisition!
                          A weapon system is not a "platform"--a platform is a raised stage whereon pro-gun control politicians stand and give inane "guns are evil" speeches trying to neuter our 2nd Amendment rights.

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                          • #14
                            Ed_Hazard
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 5146

                            Awesome score! Glad to see that a piece of history was saved from the slag heap and ended up with someone who will truly appreciate it.
                            Originally Posted by Sic Boy
                            And I bet Jobs surfs porn. If he doesn't, I'll eat a live baby on stage at the next Apple event.
                            Originally posted by AJAX22
                            Don't F with those guys... they can probably use their teabag to inflict blunt force trauma.


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                            • #15
                              jyo
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 5316

                              Very cool pistola---Glad you saved it from the buy-back insanity...

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