I dont understand the logic

[hks95134]

They say 9mm will penetrate and go through walls, yet a 357 revolver is considered excellent for home defense?

No one ever said (correctly) that a 357 is any good for home defense. Where did you get that notion?

The 357 is a more powerful variant of the 38SP both of which were designed as police weapons intended to shoot through car doors and kill criminals trying to make a getaway.

Whereas the JHP's in 9 mm and 45ACP are great home defense cartridges, whereas a shotgun with birdshot is infinitely better.

But not everyone can handle a shotgun. And you cannot sleep with a shotgun under your pillow either.

[hks95134]

I'm thinking if you actually ever have to shoot somebody in your home, you will have a lot bigger issues to ponder in the aftermath than if your round penetrated the drywall.

For a house the drywall is less of an issue than for an apartment building.

Still an issue however, and worthy of consideration.

A bullet, any bullet, keeps going and going, whereas birdshot stops.

[hks95134]

My 'they' disagrees with what your 'they' says, and what your 'they' thinks is excellent, my 'they' says is stupid.

Ignore all of 'them' and do some research. There are lots of expert opinions (actual experts). Research a lot of them and decide what's best for your situation and what you decide the likely scenarios are. Meaning, your HD choice if you live on a farm will be different that if you live in a downtown condo.

Exactly !!!

[-hanko]

For a house the drywall is less of an issue than for an apartment building.

Still an issue however, and worthy of consideration.

A bullet, any bullet, keeps going and going, whereas birdshot stops.

Birdshot does stop, usually about 3 inches into the actor.

NO reputable trainer is going to suggest birdshot as a self defense ammunition.

NOR is it used by police or the military.

A few things...

The birdshot-for-home-defense argument gets beaten to death here once a month or more. The end conclusion is that the mass of a bird shot pellet doesn't have penetration, compared to buckshot, due to its being lighter.

Birdshot pellets do not stay together and act as a slug once the wad opens.

Those who think more about penetrating a wall need, I think, to consider more about stopping the actor.

I have yet to see reports of a home defense projectile stopping a bad guy and then hurting someone in an adjoining room.

It's usually advisable to do your research prior to posting.

Read the Box O' Truth link above, report back.

[nealo]

No one ever said (correctly) that a 357 is any good for home defense. Where did you get that notion?

The 357 is a more powerful variant of the 38SP both of which were designed as police weapons intended to shoot through car doors and kill criminals trying to make a getaway.

Whereas the JHP's in 9 mm and 45ACP are great home defense cartridges, whereas a shotgun with birdshot is infinitely better.

But not everyone can handle a shotgun. And you cannot sleep with a shotgun under your pillow either.

Are you afraid of birds breaking into your home?

[Deimos887]

^ if the deliquent birds are ostriches, I'd say his fear is justified!

[themixr]

I have my shotgun loaded with (in this order) birdshot, 00 buck, acutip sabot slug. If the sound of a racked shotgun does not scare them away an *** full of birdshot may, if not some nasty stuff comes after.

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[jdben92883]

If they hear you rack your shotgun, you're already too late.

I have my shotgun loaded with (in this order) birdshot, 00 buck, acutip sabot slug. If the sound of a racked shotgun does not scare them away an *** full of birdshot may, if not some nasty stuff comes after.

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[J.D.Allen]

Birdshot does stop, usually about 3 inches into the actor.

NO reputable trainer is going to suggest birdshot as a self defense ammunition.

NOR is it used by police or the military.

A few things...

The birdshot-for-home-defense argument gets beaten to death here once a month or more. The end conclusion is that the mass of a bird shot pellet doesn't have penetration, compared to buckshot, due to its being lighter.

Birdshot pellets do not stay together and act as a slug once the wad opens.

Those who think more about penetrating a wall need, I think, to consider more about stopping the actor.

I have yet to see reports of a home defense projectile stopping a bad guy and then hurting someone in an adjoining room.

It's usually advisable to do your research prior to posting.

Read the Box O' Truth link above, report back.

This. Note: I said any projectile that will effectively stop a threat (of the human kind). No legitimate expert that I am aware of has ever recommended using birdshot for home defense because it is not considere effective in putting down a threat.

So I repeat. Any projectile that will EFFECTIVELY stop a threat will go through walls. You just have to accept that trade-off and try your best not to miss.

[pastureofmuppets]

Won't go through walls:

[pastureofmuppets]

No legitimate expert that I am aware of has ever recommended using birdshot for home defense because it is not considere effective in putting down a threat.

Birdshot is towards the end.

[FUBAR]

You know... Them

You mean those giant ants right?

[MrExel17]

I really hate it when THEY and THEM being sayin such thing! Haters!!!!

[fmunk]

They say 9mm will penetrate and go through walls, yet a 357 revolver is considered excellent for home defense?

Generalization is the mother of all f-ups.

There are too many variables for calibers you mentioned, as well as ones not mentioned. It isn't so much the caliber that matters, it's the load of powder and type of bullet used. Some are designed to penetrate, others are designed for plinking, some are designed specifically for knock-down power. That is one of the f-ups in your "they said" statement.

The second f-up in the "they said" statement is it's mixing caliber and pistol type. A 357 revolver is not considered excellent for home defense not simply because of the caliber but because it is a revolver, which is mechanically simpler and theoretically less prone to mechanical failure than a semi-auto. I say theoretically because current semi-autos are so refined that chance of failure is slim enough for the argument of semi-auto vs revolver to be moot.

[davidb]

as has been stated any bullet capable of doing damage to a human is going to penetrate walls, so hit what you're aiming at or hope and pray no one was in the way of a miss

heck i shot a .177 pellet at around 1000fps in my house when i was a kid (stupid, i know) and it penetrated 2 close together walls and those things have very very little mass