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  • M1A Rifleman
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 3691

    Re-Educate me on PPT

    I used to be aware of how ppt for handguns worked, but now not so sure any more.
    1) For old or vintage handguns, are they required to be on the safety list for a ppt?

    2) Can an FFL sell vintage handguns manufactured prior to the law for listing "safe" handguns?

    3) How does a ppt work for buyers and sellers in different parts of the state, does a ppt require a FtF sale/transfer?

    4) How do the gun broker bid sites do a transfer?

    By vintage or old I mean from the 1980's back.

    Thanks for the education.
    Last edited by M1A Rifleman; 03-02-2014, 4:34 PM.
    The only thing that is worse than an idiot, is someone who argues with one.
  • #2
    neomedic
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2006
    • 3276

    If it's a PPT, no safety list / roster is necessary. Just PPT away.

    As to vintage guns, I think C&R still need to go through FFL if buying from a store or from a private party after new legislation. I'm sure, so don't quote me on this. Others will give better info on C&R since I'm not a big collector of vintage arms so never really looked into it.

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    • #3
      TheWoodCrafter
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2013
      • 1023

      I am pretty sure C & R guns must be over 50 year old.
      These can go through an FFL and don't have to be on the roster.
      Antiques must be made prior to 1899 (I think) and don't have to go through an FFL.
      Just cash and carry.
      "That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." George Orwell

      "A free society asks not why people want or need their freedom. It asks why government would restrict it."

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      • #4
        morrcarr67
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jul 2010
        • 15021

        Originally posted by TheWoodCrafter
        I am pretty sure C & R guns must be over 50 year old.
        These can go through an FFL and don't have to be on the roster.
        Antiques must be made prior to 1899 (I think) and don't have to go through an FFL.
        Just cash and carry.
        And, you sure would be pretty wrong.

        ALL C&R handguns are roster exempt.

        If a dealer has one in their inventory they can transfer it to a non exempt person.

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        Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

        Originally posted by Erion929

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        • #5
          TheWoodCrafter
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2013
          • 1023

          Originally posted by morrcarr67
          And, you sure would be pretty wrong.

          ALL C&R handguns are roster exempt.

          If a dealer has one in their inventory they can transfer it to a non exempt person.

          Sent from my GT-P3113 using Tapatalk
          I am pretty sure I said the same thing.
          Try reading it again.

          So WRONG, it is not.
          "That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." George Orwell

          "A free society asks not why people want or need their freedom. It asks why government would restrict it."

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          • #6
            beetle
            The Clip guy
            CGN Contributor
            • May 2009
            • 1677

            Originally posted by M1A Rifleman
            I used to be aware of how ppt for handguns worked, but now not so sure any more.
            1) For old or vintage handguns, are they required to be on the safety list for a ppt?

            2) Can an FFL sell vintage handguns manufactured prior to the law for listing "safe" handguns?

            3) How does a ppt work for buyers and sellers in different parts of the state, does a ppt require a FtF sale/transfer?

            4) How do the gun broker bid sites do a transfer?

            By vintage or old I mean from the 1980's back.

            Thanks for the education.
            If it really is a PPT, or person to person transfer, than the safety roster does not apply. As long as the handgun is not an assault weapon, you can meet up with another guy and buy/sell a handgun. Note that I said meet up -- PPT is a face to face transaction. No shipping or mailing the gun.

            If you are not meeting up with a buyer/seller in person, than the transaction is a dealer(FFL) transfer. This type of transaction IS limited by the roster. Only guns on the roster can be transferred by the dealer. However, guns that are 50+ years old (or on the ATF C&R list) are exempt from the roster. Guns from the 1980s are not old enough to be exempt from the roster and therefore cannot be transferred through a dealer (must be face to face).

            Guns purchased through gunbroker are sent to a dealer, so they are subject to the roster.

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            • #7
              morrcarr67
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jul 2010
              • 15021

              Originally posted by TheWoodCrafter
              I am pretty sure I said the same thing.
              Try reading it again.

              So WRONG, it is not.
              They don't have to be 50 years old. There are many that are less than 50 years old and are C&R.

              So yes you would be wrong.

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              Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

              Originally posted by Erion929

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