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  • Catalyst81
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 527

    .45 recommendation

    I'm interested in picking up my first .45. I've decided a single stack .45 would work best (I have really small hands). From my research it seems a 1911 or Sig P220 would be a good option. Any other suggestions? I still need to go shoot both but I'm leaning towards a Springfield loaded with the 1911. I generally prefer steel guns. I keep reading about "reliability" issues with the 1911 platform. Is this overblown on the internet? I don't mind spending a little more time to learn the gun if necessary, but I need to be able to trust it. This will mostly be a range gun/ hd but I am working on getting my CCW (Riverside County) and would carry it.
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  • #2
    Syds Grandpa
    Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 340

    " I keep reading about "reliability" issues with the 1911 platform."


    That's funny.

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    • #3
      350skylark
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2012
      • 1129

      im a huge fan of the 1911, ive had 4(Rock Island gi, Rock Island tactical, Springfield MC Op, and the Springfield loaded), reliability issues are definitely over hyped by the internet. The current 1911 i have is a Springfield loaded it has about 800 rounds threw it, 300 by me and i have no issues its a great gun and would absolutely recommend one for someone looking for a good 1911. However, it would be a little rough for edc, it can definitely be done.
      Selling lots of Pistol brass, lots of 38 and 44 mag!
      http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...4#post15935994

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      • #4
        tmos619
        Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 211

        my first .45 was the Ruger SR45. Pretty cheap and pretty accurate. Doesn't fit the steel preference but no complaints over here.

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        • #5
          Bad Caselaw
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2013
          • 808

          SD/IWB/CCW?

          Glock G36 .45 ACP.

          Light/thin/accurate/simple/reliable/.45 ACP.






          Caselaw
          "We're surrounded. That simplifies things."

          - Col. LB "Chesty" Puller USMC - Chosin Reservoir

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          • #6
            Loubot10
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 3078

            Pick up a used SA TRP or MC Operator for around $1,200.00

            You'll be glad you bought a 1911 with all of the important upgrades installed at the factory instead of doing it yourself after.



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            • #7
              Lead Waster
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Sep 2010
              • 16650

              Originally posted by Syds Grandpa
              " I keep reading about "reliability" issues with the 1911 platform."


              That's funny.
              There is truth to it. The thing is that there are dozens of companies that build "1911's". Remember when we say 1911, we mean a pretty specific blueprint for a gun. In theory, after over 100 years, the parts would be pretty standard, but there are so many parts manufacturers for 1911 parts that not everything fits well together. There are also many many magazine manufacturers. So getting a well put together 1911 and have it run with a particular brand of magazine is tougher than it looks and often people just buy whatever magazine they find because it says "1911 magazine" on it.

              See, only Glock makes Glock pistols and Glock magazines ... this is why Glocks work with Glock mags .. one company makes them.


              Yes, people will pipe in and say "Yeah, well it was good enough for my Grandpa in WWI/WWII" and "Then how come special forces use 1911s then?" ... Because those guns were under the care of taxpayer funded gunsmiths/armorers. Oh, do the Marines use 1911s? That's nice .... do you have an armorer taking care of your guns like they do? Is there a guy living in your safe whose job it is to make sure your 1911s work? Probably not.

              1911 can be extremely reliable, but that is after you figure out which magazines work well with your particular make/model of 1911. And maybe you've had to polish this part or that or swap out something.

              So yeah, there can be reliability issues with 1911s ... because "1911" actually refers to hundreds of makes/models from dozens or hundreds of manufacturers. And they use magazines made by dozens or hundreds of manufacturers too.
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              • #8
                Syds Grandpa
                Member
                • Oct 2013
                • 340

                Originally posted by Lead Waster
                There is truth to it. The thing is that there are dozens of companies that build "1911's". Remember when we say 1911, we mean a pretty specific blueprint for a gun. In theory, after over 100 years, the parts would be pretty standard, but there are so many parts manufacturers for 1911 parts that not everything fits well together. There are also many many magazine manufacturers. So getting a well put together 1911 and have it run with a particular brand of magazine is tougher than it looks and often people just buy whatever magazine they find because it says "1911 magazine" on it.

                See, only Glock makes Glock pistols and Glock magazines ... this is why Glocks work with Glock mags .. one company makes them.


                Yes, people will pipe in and say "Yeah, well it was good enough for my Grandpa in WWI/WWII" and "Then how come special forces use 1911s then?" ... Because those guns were under the care of taxpayer funded gunsmiths/armorers. Oh, do the Marines use 1911s? That's nice .... do you have an armorer taking care of your guns like they do? Is there a guy living in your safe whose job it is to make sure your 1911s work? Probably not.

                1911 can be extremely reliable, but that is after you figure out which magazines work well with your particular make/model of 1911. And maybe you've had to polish this part or that or swap out something.

                So yeah, there can be reliability issues with 1911s ... because "1911" actually refers to hundreds of makes/models from dozens or hundreds of manufacturers. And they use magazines made by dozens or hundreds of manufacturers too.
                I see and appreciate your point. I stick with Colt and Baer. The Marines are using primarily Colts. They probably don't need any armorers fixing their guns for them. But you are correct, there's a lot of junk flooding the market.

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                • #9
                  hks95134
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 959

                  Originally posted by Catalyst81
                  I'm interested in picking up my first .45. I've decided a single stack .45 would work best (I have really small hands). From my research it seems a 1911 or Sig P220 would be a good option. Any other suggestions? I still need to go shoot both but I'm leaning towards a Springfield loaded with the 1911. I generally prefer steel guns. I keep reading about "reliability" issues with the 1911 platform. Is this overblown on the internet? I don't mind spending a little more time to learn the gun if necessary, but I need to be able to trust it. This will mostly be a range gun/ hd but I am working on getting my CCW (Riverside County) and would carry it.
                  From the look of the trigger, the Sig P220 is a single AND double action whereas the 1911A1 clones are only single action.

                  This was a major issue back in Germany pre WW2, when Walther invented the single AND double action P38 9mm parabellum to supersede the single action Luger.

                  Single AND double action is better.

                  But either one would be a good choice.
                  Last edited by hks95134; 03-01-2014, 11:50 PM.

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                  • #10
                    hks95134
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 959

                    Originally posted by Bad Caselaw
                    SD/IWB/CCW?

                    Glock G36 .45 ACP.

                    Light/thin/accurate/simple/reliable/.45 ACP.

                    Caselaw
                    I think it would be immoral and a violation of the laws of God to try to persuade someone to get a Glock who is not even looking for a Glock. Especially if they are already willing to spend a lot of money on a Sig, as well.

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                    • #11
                      Gryff
                      CGSSA Coordinator
                      • May 2006
                      • 12686

                      Sig P220.

                      Rugged and reliable. Better ergonomics than the 1911 (don't have to ride the thumb safety). No grip safety to fail to compress and cause the gun to not fire.
                      My friends and family disavow all knowledge of my existence, let alone my opinions.

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                      • #12
                        nitrous_bob
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 251

                        Originally posted by Catalyst81
                        I'm interested in picking up my first .45. I've decided a single stack .45 would work best (I have really small hands).

                        This will mostly be a range gun/ hd but I am working on getting my CCW (Riverside County) and would carry it.
                        im 5'6" 150 pounds
                        you have small hands im assuming your about my size

                        2 things come to mind right away IMO, from my own personal experience, and you need to rethink it a bit

                        1) you will NOT be able to conceal carry a 1911 MOST of the time
                        2) the glock 21SF is a super comfortable gun for us smaller guys but too big to carry

                        now i do love the 1911, but for a carry gun....your gonna need to be more realistic

                        in michigan i can only carry a mid to full sized handgun about 6 months out of the year. the rest of the time its a sig p238 .380

                        and with that said, i owned a glock 36 and really didnt like it all, i sold it and got the 21SF . the 36 was too big to carry (single stack...not too fat...just too big...poked out the back of my shirt) and too small to be fun to shoot

                        just my personal observations from what ive owned an carried on a daily basis

                        GOOD LUCK !!

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                        • #13
                          Vin63
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 1218

                          Originally posted by Catalyst81
                          I'm interested in picking up my first .45...This will mostly be a range gun/ hd but I am working on getting my CCW (Riverside County) and would carry it.
                          For something to address all of those uses, I would consider a Commander-sized 1911.
                          CH3NO2

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                          • #14
                            101st Airborne
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 665

                            I prefer the P220.
                            Army Veteran 2/31st F.A., 101st Airborne
                            NRA Patron Life Member/CGN Contributor
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                            • #15
                              Hk996
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 659

                              There are a lot of differences between different 1911's. I've shot glock 21, baer PII, Baer comanche, springfields, kimbers in .45. you can tell the difference with the Baer 1/2" compared to the rest (my personal so biased). If you can, shoot different guns you think you like.

                              Looks like you are local on OC, I go to fieldtime all the time, so if I'm there, you can try mine.
                              kevin.

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