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  • FreedomWriter
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    • Feb 2014
    • 299

    The Best Home Defense Training?

    Hello Calguns,

    My primary reason for wanting to own firearms is Home Defense. I would like a CCW, but the county where I reside right now is not a "shall issue" county and the politics here are not conducive to obtaining a CCW, unfortunately. Thus, I am looking into other LUCC options, but most of them are clunky and very "alternative" - meaning, not very deployment friendly by nature.

    Focusing strictly on Home Invasion Defense...

    I've been looking online and discovered several different names being used to describe training with a semi-automatic pistol such as:

    - Pistol Defense Training
    - Self-Defense Pistol Tactics Training
    - Personal Defense Pistol Training
    - etc., etc., etc.

    I've read online brochures and have watched many videos of various kinds of "XYZ Pistol" training. The vast majority of what I see, places students in front of static two (2) dimensional paper targets. In the real world, assailants don't typically stand still and freeze when you want them to.

    So, obtaining that perfect stance, grip, deep breathe, sight alignment, sight picture and slow trigger pull, seems like very good training on the fundamentals, but not necessarily optimal for a dynamic scenario at home at 3:27am when your brain has yet to boot-up the other parts of your body and the adrenaline is on overflow.

    I'm wondering if there is another kind of training that deals more with the dynamics of something like - having to go down a hallway, or a staircase to secure one or more family members, then make your way to a safe room, or to some other more secure location within the house until the authorities arrive. Or, just learning how to properly get from point "A" to point "B" under the condition of knowing that an intruder might be in the house with you.

    Dealing with a gunfight in your own home is one thing, but I have hard time imagining how standing flatfoot and firing at a two dimensional target that's not moving, helps you prepare for handling your own body's center of gravity as you have the necessity to move through your house to secure others and make it to a protective destination - maybe on the other side of the house, while real human beings with real firearms themselves, stand in the way of accomplishing that mission.

    I went out and purchased a Gammo C15 Blowback pistol, and I work on basic safe gun handling skills (the 5 rules), my grip and front-sight alignment. I then try moving around the house with the C15 using cover and concealment when possible, pieing from room-to-room and down hallways while trying not to over expose my body to lines of fire.

    I notice that often times, I get caught in situations where one uncleared room has a line of sight that conflicts with another uncleared room, and I have to pass through that intersection of sight-lines to get somewhere else. I then realize just how dangerous that can be, if I don't know exactly where the intruder(s) are located. I could walk right into their line of sight from either room.

    I also noticed that hallways are very problematic. I always feel like I've just stepped into the intruders personal shooting gallery - like a fish in a barrel, whenever stepping into a hallway. Hallways bother me because of the exposure time. Very uncomfortable.

    I'm looking for training resources (companies, organizations, etc.) that I can put in my database that help with in-home tactical movement scenarios like these. I hope what I am saying makes sense.

    I know the fundamentals are important to practice (two dimensional targets), but at the end of the day, anyone bold enough to intrude into your home while you are there, probably won't be a static paper tiger.

    Thank you.
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    brettkeating
    Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 295

    Heard good things about Thunder Ranch but never been there.

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    • #3
      Condorguns
      Still lost in the desert
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Dec 2007
      • 3302

      Front Sight will probably work for what you are looking for.
      You, you, and you: Panic. The rest of you, come with me.
      Incoming fire has the right of way.

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      • #4
        Lugiahua
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2011
        • 1576

        There is no "Best" trainings, every current training method has it's up and downs, or they would cease to exist long ago.
        Except very few gifted shooters, everyone starts from the basic flat range, then moved up slowly to competition, force-on-force, shoot house, combat simulators, etc.

        There is no way you could be ready for real world deadly encounter in just one training session.
        ----

        On the other hand, I recently visited Artemis Defense (ADI) near L.A.
        They have the currently most advanced simulator Virtra 300 for realistic force-on-force trainings. But you have to be experienced in tactical shooting first to fully appreciate the benefits from scenario based training.

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        • #5
          TheExiled
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 2933

          Muscle memory. No matter what organization you go with, you will need to continue practicing and developing muscle memory on your own. You mentioned the 'haze' of being awoken in such a scenario and the only thing that will make you able to get the job done reliably is this.

          My favorite drills for keeping sharp with my regular practice is having friends set 1-5 targets down range at varying distances and locations while my back is turned, with different numbers of them being kill/no kill targets. Turning and assessing the threats and taking care of it fast helps me in my confidence in any situation, along with knowing my floor plan like the back of my hand and having a plan.
          Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends

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          • #6
            ChuckDizzle
            Banned
            • Dec 2013
            • 4398

            As a new shooter you should compare the cost of one of these courses to the cost of how much practice ammo and range time you could afford. I'm not sure a new shooter would retain and make use of a whole lot from structured training courses.

            By comparison let's say you spend $500 on some bulk ammo and a membership to a public range. You could likely practice for 6 months shooting 100 rounds a week. This steady, little bit over time approach would really build some solid fundamentals for you allowing you to get a whole lot more out of a training course later on.

            As TheExiled said above, build muscle memory, go slow at first and you'll be surprised how automatic things become before long. Personally I've found pistol shooting to be a perishable skill relative to rifle or even shotgun shooting, so keep up with it regularly. Also like he said, feel free to build your own drills to keep things interesting. Personally I like the large paper sheets with 5 small targets on them, I practice moving from target to target after each shot, or sometimes two in each and so-on. Try to avoid dumping lots of mags in the beginning and shooting faster than your level of accuracy, a miss is just as good as not shooting.

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            • #7
              003
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 3436



              Get some professional training

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              • #8
                GM_77
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 594

                Pertaining to your specific bolded part.
                Things you should look for:
                • Instructor has experience in being in gun fights.
                  - People can hem and haw about this all they want. Bottom line, how does one validate their techniques/methods without having the perspective of having been there before?
                • Methods and techniques will be pressure tested (i.e. FIST helmets and SIM guns or VR simulation)
                • Instructor does this for a living (or has done it for a living), not a weekend warrior making money Sat-Sun.


                Things you should stay away from:
                • Instructors without any background in actually using their firearm for self preservation.
                • Instructors with vague backgrounds.
                • Organizations that won't let you choose the instructor you want or tell you who will be teaching the class. (i.e. you can get Joe the Man or you could get Willis the Comic Store Guy but you don't know).
                • Dudes dressed all in black and look like commandos.



                Organization(s) that fit your specific request:
                ShivWorks Armed Movement in Structures.
                LMS Defense
                Artemis Defense Institute

                Just a note:
                Training... look at the people who actually train professionally, ie modern athletes. Do they go out and participate in matches to train? What do they do to actually train FOR the game/fight? They hit sand bags, do drills, lift weights and practice individual skills which is basically the square range crap and dry fire equivalent for firearms. Although getting injected into high pressure scenarios and learning things won't be bad, I would probably rewind a bit and think about how to successfully train FOR something.

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                • #9
                  Mayor McRifle
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2013
                  • 7666

                  Originally posted by ChuckDizzle
                  a miss is just as good as not shooting.
                  . . . unless you think critically about it and learn why that particular shot missed. Don't blame it on the ammo. Chances are it was something you did.

                  I agree with Chuck Dizzle, though. Shoot a lot, and shoot regularly, especially when you're just starting out. But always concentrate on what you're doing, and always practice with a purpose.

                  Equipment and training are good, but there is no such thing as "accuracy in a box." You have to put in quality time to gain true proficiency.
                  Last edited by Mayor McRifle; 02-07-2014, 6:57 PM.
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                  • #10
                    BobbyFord
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 49

                    I had a blind pitbull that could hear things before they happened. Get a good dog that'll wake you up long before you need your gun. Pistol-grip shotgun is hard to beat for home defense. I sleep with every light in the house out. My eyes are already adjusted to the dark.

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                    • #11
                      Lugiahua
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 1576

                      Originally posted by ChuckDizzle
                      As a new shooter you should compare the cost of one of these courses to the cost of how much practice ammo and range time you could afford. I'm not sure a new shooter would retain and make use of a whole lot from structured training courses.

                      By comparison let's say you spend $500 on some bulk ammo and a membership to a public range. You could likely practice for 6 months shooting 100 rounds a week. This steady, little bit over time approach would really build some solid fundamentals for you allowing you to get a whole lot more out of a training course later on.
                      I actually would argue the opposite...I feel my handgun shootings before the formal training were complete wastes of money and time.
                      All I achieved was putting a few thousands of holes on paper target without understanding the mechanics and theory of shooting.
                      I didn't know know about trigger control, drawing from holster, or front sight focus until I went to a class later.

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                      • #12
                        Mayor McRifle
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                        • Dec 2013
                        • 7666

                        Originally posted by Lugiahua
                        I didn't know know about trigger control, drawing from holster, or front sight focus until I went to a class later.
                        There are plenty of good books that cover basic information like that for new shooters. You can even get it for free on the internet. You can pay money for classes to learn it, but you don't need to. I would recommend saving your money for specialized skill assessment and tailored instruction once your ready for it, rather than spending that kind of money for the readily available basics.

                        But, everyone has different learning styles. If you feel you need classes to learn the basics, then do it. Gaining true proficiency is what's important. I believe that if you're going to own and/or use guns, you have an inherent responsibility to use them safely, and if you're going to use guns to defend yourself and protect the lives of others, you must learn to use them as effectively as possible.
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                        • #13
                          scotchblade
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                          • Oct 2012
                          • 795

                          Originally posted by Mayor McRifle
                          There are plenty of good books that cover basic information like that for new shooters.
                          I was browsing Amazon's kindle books and was impressed with the large selection. Any recommendations?

                          keywords: Defensive shooting

                          keywords: tactical shooting

                          Cheers!

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                          • #14
                            Munny$hot
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 3665

                            Until you build up your skills it maybe be better to build layers of defense around your home, a early warning system and train your family to meet in a certain room where a shotgun, flash light and a way to contact the police may save your life. Have a pre written document that states your address, name, situations, and that you are armed. Door kicking takes a lot of training and a certain mind set. There are a lot of good classes out there that is designed for cqb work and takes time and dedication to be sufficient. The last thing you want to do is injure a family member or have your weapon taken away from you. Also a goof night fighting class is invaluable.
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                            • #15
                              Mayor McRifle
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                              • Dec 2013
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                              Originally posted by scotchblade
                              I was browsing Amazon's kindle books and was impressed with the large selection. Any recommendations?

                              keywords: Defensive shooting

                              keywords: tactical shooting

                              Cheers!
                              I haven't read them all, but the first one on that list is great -- The Modern Day Gunslinger, by Don Mann (Go Navy!). But I would recommend reading The Perfect Pistol Shot, by Albert League, first. There are many more worthwhile books, but those two are a great place to start.
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