Sig SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace can be legal federally depending on how it's used

[antiseen]

OP. 01-24-2014, 3:22 PM "Sig SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace is legal depending on how it's used"

So, after a year of of banter and FUD, the origional post stands true.
Quite the victory. LOL LOL

Think the "depending on how it's used" was added yesterday. Used to just say sig brace is legal. Iirc.

[MCM]

Your right!
I guess the big news is if Franklin Armory will start selling them?
Like everyone else.
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I have no use for one of these, its just fun to watch play out.

[SOCOgunguy]

Won't be hard to fight this in court unless you're on some HIGH DEF VIDEO doing it.

Cop arrests you on BLM land for shouldering Sig Brace.. . (which they won't)

but lets say it happens.. you go to Court, "Your Honor, my client was not shouldering the brace but using it as a cheek rest the same way he would with the buffer tube, it may resemble shouldering the brace, but the brace was in fact 1 inch from his shoulder at all times.

Case Closed without LEO being able to PROVE you were shouldering it.

This NEW letter is nothing more than to scare the people who are already scared.. I don't think the FBI will be using sophisticated cameras from a long distance to capture snapshots of people shouldering sig braces on BLM land..

some of you people in here are hilarious.

[SOCOgunguy]

This is just as likely to be enforced as an officer standing over your shoulder, and once you pop that bullet button on he arrests you.. .

Can it happen? Yes, will it EVER happen, nope.. The lack of knowledge displayed in here is concerning since many in here own firearms.

I spoke with a Sheriff yesterday who said him and his buddies don't enforce nor care about things such as this, he stated the only way someone would get in trouble is if it is USED as a "ADD-ON" charge.. such as you're already breaking the law in multiple ways, and they just add this on the bill..

He said nobody is going to be arrested let alone end up in court over this alone.

[.45 ACP]

This is just as likely to be enforced as an officer standing over your shoulder, and once you pop that bullet button on he arrests you.. .

Can it happen? Yes, will it EVER happen, nope.. The lack of knowledge displayed in here is concerning since many in here own firearms.

I spoke with a Sheriff yesterday who said him and his buddies don't enforce nor care about things such as this, he stated the only way someone would get in trouble is if it is USED as a "ADD-ON" charge.. such as you're already breaking the law in multiple ways, and they just add this on the bill..

He said nobody is going to be arrested let alone end up in court over this alone.

That sounds reasonable to me. I've been at OnTarget with people shouldering this thing at the rifle lanes. No one gives a ****.

[protohyp]

That sounds reasonable to me. I've been at OnTarget with people shouldering this thing at the rifle lanes. No one gives a ****.

The fact that we have this debate is because there are a few that do give a ****. And more so because of this new letter which I saw for the first time yesterday. Yes I too saw many a user shoulder a Sig brace and no I didn't care

who wants those extra 10 years as an ADD ON to charges because of a stupid rubber thing.

That being said I do agree that up until nov 14 of this year we had a letter that says good to go...whether or not you believe the ATF "writes" the laws or not there was a law written defining an SBR and with the SIG brace a few yahoos decided to write in along with a few youtube cowboys saying "skirting the laws is awesome". So the meat got dangled in front of the lion and the lion decided to eat.

Does it screw the rest of us that own braces? maybe. should everyone use it a little more cautiously? to a point I think so. I also believe that this may only affect 5% of brace owners until all public ranges put a sign up that says NO SHOULDERING SIG BRACES if that will ever happen.

The choice isn't up to the ATF. It's up to the end user. There are plenty of other things that I believe 'skirt' the law that also have determination letters (such as the Magpul AFG to some degree) yet no one bats an eye at that. All this crap is out there and if fear is something the ATF wants to push onto law abiding armed citizens I don't think they succeeded because now it's just a matter of time before someone comes up with the 'next thing'. It's happened over and over in the community and will continue to happen and in most cases no one will have ever been nabbed for a unlawful use of a SIG brace.

[fmlyman]

There is an EASY FIX to this new "opinion".....use a tube that will extend past the arm brace an inch or more so that if you do decide to shoot your pistol from the shoulder you will shouldering the tube portion.
I'm sure this will be the next gen. of pistol braces.....dual use!

[Capybara]

I would guess this letter and this opinion have no bearing on the AOWs that Franklin built and stamped and on the Calgunner that cleverly built the folding stock with the brace and Form 1 it? Maybe the Form 1/AOW is the best way to go if you want no worries about getting popped?

[mshill]

I wish all this BS can go aways because I really want a 10" pistol with the sig brace.

Let's be honest, you really want an SBR. That's why I have an AR pistol, cause its as close as I can get without breaking the law in CA. In my opinion (not worth a plug nickel) the SB-15 is impractical unless you are dual-wielding and shooting from the hip, at which point the bullet button becomes irrelevant to the magazine change discussion.

[SOCOgunguy]

The fact that we have this debate is because there are a few that do give a ****.

Sorry, but not everyone is equal in regards to mental capacity.

Their are folks who believe guns shouldn't be owned by citizens period..

A few levels down are folks who are worried about sig brace..

Even further down are folks I consider to be realistic and semi-normal.

[phase1]

Who cares, its always been I grey area now we know for sure its illegal. I'm just waiting to see all the sig braces flood the market so i could buy one for $50 bucks.

[Press Check]

Who cares, its always been I grey area now we know for sure its illegal. I'm just waiting to see all the sig braces flood the market so i could buy one for $50 bucks.

Don't hold your breath too long.

[infringed711]

Who cares, its always been I grey area now we know for sure its illegal. I'm just waiting to see all the sig braces flood the market so i could buy one for $50 bucks.

How do we know for sure it's illegal?

[AYRborneRN87]

As responsible gun owners and supporters of the Second Amendment, we are our worst enemy when a few of our own post YouTube videos showing how bad @$$ they are taunting the government about the SB 15 or the SBX.

Don't mess with the bee hive, folks might not like the outcome. All it takes is one idiot, followed by a few for many to react.

[JackRydden224]

No we don't know that it is illegal only one person in the ATF says it might be illegal in his opinion. The opinion might be well stated to a point that may people will shy away from it but it's not illegal in the same sense as 30 rd mag in BB rifle is a Felony in CA.