Glock Trigger Creep

[Justintoxicated]

You're spoiled by the 1911. Pickup just about any gun other than an a 1911 and you're gonna hate the trigger.

This became pretty clear when you called the Glock trigger "heavy". The Glock has a very light trigger compared to the DA pull of DA/SA handguns and compared to the pull on every striker fired Glock killer I've tried (and I have tried most of them). They only guns I've seen with a lighter pull are Single Action Only like the 1911s.

So those 1911s have spoiled you. Your definition of heavy, and crisp, and creep are different than the rest of us! Were used to non-SAO actions and triggers. But hey, it's a good problem to have right. You've been living the good life! LOL!

Glock triggers are not bad but both my HK USP Expert (DA/SA) and VP9 feel better, maybe the LC9s is pretty nice as well although that's another animal. The Expert is certainly lighter in SA than both the glocks I have fired and my VP9, not sure if the VP9 is actually any lighter or not, maybe a little depending on which glock, I don't have a pull gauge to compare. Compared to the stock M&P9 though the glock certainly feels a lot better imo.

Found this with a quick google search.

http://www.tannersgun.com/glock-trigger-work.aspx

Off topic but for the poster with HK's above.
Both my USP and VP9 have had some issues. Well if issues with reloads count. My USP Expert had all sorts of FTF with 185gr SWC's I think they are just too short to work properly, everything else other than some low charged XTPs (Starting loads) fed fine. The VP9 had FTF issues too. I was testing it with my flat point 124gr hornaday bullets with starting charges, once I upped the charge .3gr they seemed to disappear though. I will need to re-test to be sure.

I did not try these loads in a glock, I guess my friend dosn't trust my handloads :P He shoots his glocks better than I can shoot my HK's too.

[brooTool]

You're spoiled by the 1911. Pickup just about any gun other than an a 1911 and you're gonna hate the trigger.

This became pretty clear when you called the Glock trigger "heavy". The Glock has a very light trigger compared to the DA pull of DA/SA handguns and compared to the pull on every striker fired Glock killer I've tried (and I have tried most of them). They only guns I've seen with a lighter pull are Single Action Only like the 1911s.

So those 1911s have spoiled you. Your definition of heavy, and crisp, and creep are different than the rest of us! Were used to non-SAO actions and triggers. But hey, it's a good problem to have right. You've been living the good life! LOL!

what he said

[jdmsauce]

The creep is even worst during slow dry-firing, the creep is so bad that I don't even know where it breaks. This doesn't affect accuracy when slow firing but I would like to at least know when my trigger breaks. I hate it at this point I am really considering the Fulcrum, ZEV or whatever trigger. I really hate paying $150 for a penny worth of Chinese manufacturered aftermarket "kits" but if these help I might as well pay up. The only thing I am not sure about is if these "kits" are refundable if they don't improve on my problem.

Also, I think most companies are pushing for more production and less quality, it doesn't even matter what brand:

CZ, Glocks, HK, SIG, etc.

I've seen so many new complains on this forum alone about crap that you normally wouldn't read about as well as problems popping up with my own guns:

Glock 17 Gen 4 - this creep, need to replace follower to feed JHP, luckily no problems with the extractor that other people seem to be having *knock on wood
CZ75 SP01 - the rails depth on the reciever is not unilaterally equal, parts of the finish are not consistent with the rest of the frame
Glock 19 Gen 3 - same follower issue as the 17

So far the only two guns that I own without any issue *knock on wood is my USP45 and VP9(well no issues to report yet since its brand new).

Same problem I'm having brotha, the break is inconsistent which drives me nuts. Some are consistent, some are not. How do we make it consistent without changing to a Zev or Salient trigger/parts?

[ElDub1950]

Just checked my Gen3 G23 that's bone stock with ~5-6000 rnds through it.

Tried a dozen times. Nothing like your's at all. From an initial trigger pull I think I can almost detect a minute amount of creep but I might be imagining it. From reset, I can't detect any creep at all. Very crisp.

I'd rate mine excellent .. not 1911-custom-trigger excellent by any stretch, but excellent for a Glock.

[_TomT_]

Just checked my Gen3 G23 that's bone stock with ~5-6000 rnds through it.

Tried a dozen times. Nothing like your's at all. From an initial trigger pull I think I can almost detect a minute amount of creep but I might be imagining it. From reset, I can't detect any creep at all. Very crisp.

I'd rate mine excellent .. not 1911-custom-trigger excellent by any stretch, but excellent for a Glock.

I think the creep is associated with the Gen 4, namely that weird bump they put in where the trigger bar contacts the safety plunger.

[ElDub1950]

I think the creep is associated with the Gen 4, namely that weird bump they put in where the trigger bar contacts the safety plunger.

Maybe that's it. I'll check closely for that when I go shopping for a Gen4 in a couple of months.

[jdmsauce]

I think the creep is associated with the Gen 4, namely that weird bump they put in where the trigger bar contacts the safety plunger.

That might be it, but my cousin's Gen 4 is as smooth as his Gen 3.

[_TomT_]

That might be it, but my cousin's Gen 4 is as smooth as his Gen 3.

I would like to shoot your cousin's Gen 4 because all of the Gen 4 I've shot had more or less the same creep.

[jdmsauce]

I would like to shoot your cousin's Gen 4 because all of the Gen 4 I've shot had more or less the same creep.

I take my comment back, there is creep on the Glock 17 Gen 4 but very minimum [ 90% slack 10% creep/break ].

I've came to the conclusion that the Gen 3's trigger [ 95% slack, 5% creep/break ] is slightly better than Gen 4's out of the box due to the smoother parts and better quality control.

[Press Check]

The creep is even worst during slow dry-firing, the creep is so bad that I don't even know where it breaks. This doesn't affect accuracy when slow firing but I would like to at least know when my trigger breaks. I hate it at this point I am really considering the Fulcrum, ZEV or whatever trigger. I really hate paying $150 for a penny worth of Chinese manufacturered aftermarket "kits" but if these help I might as well pay up. The only thing I am not sure about is if these "kits" are refundable if they don't improve on my problem.

Also, I think most companies are pushing for more production and less quality, it doesn't even matter what brand:

CZ, Glocks, HK, SIG, etc.

I've seen so many new complains on this forum alone about crap that you normally wouldn't read about as well as problems popping up with my own guns:

Glock 17 Gen 4 - this creep, need to replace follower to feed JHP, luckily no problems with the extractor that other people seem to be having *knock on wood
CZ75 SP01 - the rails depth on the reciever is not unilaterally equal, parts of the finish are not consistent with the rest of the frame
Glock 19 Gen 3 - same follower issue as the 17

So far the only two guns that I own without any issue *knock on wood is my USP45 and VP9(well no issues to report yet since its brand new).

As I originally said 8 months ago in this thread, creep is a necessary evil in a Glock pistol. Without it, you have a dangerous pistol. You can reduce the perception of creep, but not eliminate it, especially during slow fire.

Press the trigger, it snaps and breaks. You simply cannot ease into a Glock trigger without experiencing creep. I have had both Fulcrum and Salient fire control systems, and both had creep as well. I upgraded to eliminate the take-up, reduce over-travel, and reduce the perception of creep, not eliminate it.

Again, creep in a Glock is the extension in the trigger bar pushing the firing pin safety upward to release the striker / firing pin. If the ridge on the trigger bar extension and the firing pin safety are both rough, that will make the creep 10x more detectable and unbearable, not to mention gritty, polish, smooth and contour those bearing surfaces.

Embrace the creep.

[digdug74]

Here you go see attached video. I already dry fired and racked, video is the reset and pull. It is creep.
http://youtu.be/34fF7SqKpnc

Yeah, that actually doesn't look quite right. I'm sitting here fondling my G27 gen 4 doing a little dry firing and the trigger break is very crisp after the initial take up.

[_TomT_]

As I originally said 8 months ago in this thread, creep is a necessary evil in a Glock pistol. Without it, you have a dangerous pistol. You can reduce the perception of creep, but not eliminate it, especially during slow fire.

Press the trigger, it snaps and breaks. You simply cannot ease into a Glock trigger without experiencing creep. I have had both Fulcrum and Salient fire control systems, and both had creep as well. I upgraded to eliminate the take-up, reduce over-travel, and reduce the perception of creep, not eliminate it.

Again, creep in a Glock is the extension in the trigger bar pushing the firing pin safety upward to release the striker / firing pin. If the ridge on the trigger bar extension and the firing pin safety are both rough, that will make the creep 10x more detectable and unbearable, not to mention gritty, polish, smooth and contour those bearing surfaces.

Embrace the creep.

I guess you're right and I'm pretty sure this applies to striker-fired pistols in general. Even ones with good triggers tend to have creep I compared my G17 to my VP9 and notice creep in the VP9. Although a lot less than the Glock however if your pull is slow enough the creep is there. Then I watch some youtube video of the PPQ's trigger, the creep is there in that pistol as well.

So I guess if you really want to reduce the creep you can get the drop in trigger kits, however you will not be able to eliminate it. Or if you don't want creep at all invest in a DA/SA pistol or SAO pistol.