In state ID card (CA) - out of state drivers license?

[paradiddleparadiddle]

Hey All

Was wondering if anyone knows the law (if any) about getting a California ID card while maintaining an out of state drivers license? I need a California ID Card OR license for a handgun purchase I want to make in California, but would rather not surrender my out of state license (tax purposes). Does anyone know the legality here before I spend a day at the DMV? Thanks in advance!

R

[-hanko]

Hey All

Was wondering if anyone knows the law (if any) about getting a California ID card while maintaining an out of state drivers license? I need a California ID Card OR license for a handgun purchase I want to make in California, but would rather not surrender my out of state license (tax purposes). Does anyone know the legality here before I spend a day at the DMV? Thanks in advance!

R

Over the last 10-12 years, I've had a Texas DL with California ID, and later an Idaho DL with California ID.

No one has complained.

[Spanky8601]

From the California Vehicle Code.



(a) The department may issue an identification card to any person attesting to the true full name, correct age, and other identifying data as certified by the applicant for the identification card.

(b) Any person 62 years of age or older may apply for, and the department upon receipt of a proper application therefor shall issue, an identification card bearing the notation “Senior Citizen”.

(c) Every application for an identification card shall be signed and verified by the applicant before a person authorized to administer oaths and shall be supported by bona fide documentary evidence of the age and identity of the applicant as the department may require, and shall include a legible print of the thumb or finger of the applicant.

(d) Any person 62 years of age or older, and any other qualified person, may apply for, or possess, an identification card under the provisions of either subdivision (a) or (b), but not under both of those provisions.

(Amended by Stats. 2003, Ch. 326, Sec. 8. Effective January 1, 2004.)

13000.1.


(a) The department may refuse to issue or renew an identification card to any person for any of the following reasons:

(1) The department determines that the person has knowingly used a false or fictitious name in any application.

(2) The department determines that the person has impersonated another in making an application.

(3) The department determines that the person has knowingly made a false statement, knowingly concealed a material fact, or otherwise committed any fraud on any application.

(b) The department may declare an identification card invalid upon any of the grounds specified in subdivision (a) as reason to refuse to reissue or renew an identification card. The holder of an identification card that has been declared invalid shall surrender the identification card to the department.

(Added by Stats. 2000, Ch. 787, Sec. 19. Effective January 1, 2001.)

13002.


(a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (b), every identification card shall expire, unless canceled earlier, on the sixth birthday of the applicant following the date of application for the identification card. Renewal of any identification card, other than a senior citizen identification card, shall be made for a term which shall expire on the sixth birthday of the applicant following expiration of the identification card renewed, unless surrendered earlier. Any application for renewal received after 90 days after expiration of the identification card, including a senior citizen identification card, shall be considered the same as an application for an original identification card. The department shall, at the end of six years and six months after the issuance or renewal of an identification card, other than a senior citizen identification card, destroy any record of the card if it has expired and has not been renewed.

(b) Every senior citizen identification card issued pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 13000 shall expire, unless canceled earlier, on the 10th birthday of the applicant following the date of application for the identification card. Renewal of any senior citizen identification card shall be made for a term which shall expire on the 10th birthday of the applicant following expiration of the senior citizen identification card renewed, unless surrendered earlier. The department shall, at the end of 10 years and six months after the issuance or renewal of a senior citizen identification card, destroy any record of the card if it has expired and has not been renewed.

(c) An identification card may be issued to a person in exchange for the person’s driver’s license which is surrendered to the department for either of the following reasons:

(1) The person has a physical or mental condition and requests cancellation of the driver’s license.

(2) The department has revoked the person’s driving privilege based on the person’s physical or mental condition.

That card shall be issued without the payment of any additional fee.

(d) Notwithstanding subdivisions (a) and (b), the department may adjust the expiration date of any identification card issued pursuant to this code so that the date does not exceed the expiration date of a document submitted pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 12801.5.

(Amended by Stats. 1994, Ch. 675, Sec. 7. Effective January 1, 1995.)

13002.1.


(a) The director shall establish by January 1, 2011, a program that permits the renewal of identification cards by mail or through the department’s Internet Web site.

(b) The initial application for the identification card shall be pursuant to Section 13000. The first renewal for a person 62 years of age or older shall be for a 10-year period with a maximum of one renewal by mail or through the department’s Internet Web site. All other renewals shall be for a six-year period with a maximum of two renewals by mail or through the department’s Internet Web site.

(Added by Stats. 2008, Ch. 674, Sec. 1. Effective January 1, 2009.)

13003.


(a) If an identification card issued under this code is lost, destroyed, mutilated, or a new true full name is acquired, the person to whom it was issued shall make application for an original identification card as specified in Section 13000. The fee provided in Section 14902 shall be paid to the department upon application for the card. Every identification card issued pursuant to this section shall expire as provided in Section 13002 and shall be deemed an original identification card for that purpose.

(b) A person in possession of a valid identification card who has been informed either by the department or by a law enforcement agency that the document is mutilated shall surrender the identification card to the department not later than 10 days after that notification.

(c) For purposes of this section a mutilated identification card is one that has been damaged sufficiently to render any or all of the elements of identity set forth in Sections 13005 and 13005.5 unreadable or unidentifiable through visual, mechanical, or electronic means.

(Amended by Stats. 1999, Ch. 1008, Sec. 8. Effective January 1, 2000.)

13004.


It is unlawful for any person:

(a) To display or cause or permit to be displayed or have in his possession any canceled, fictitious, fraudulently altered, or fraudulently obtained identification card.

(b) To lend his identification card to any other person or knowingly permit the use thereof by another.

(c) To display or represent any identification card not issued to him as being his card.

(d) To permit any unlawful use of an identification card issued to him.

(e) To do any act forbidden or fail to perform any act required by this article.

(f) To photograph, photostat, duplicate, or in any way reproduce any identification card or facsimile thereof in such a manner that it could be mistaken for a valid identification card, or to display or have in his possession any such photograph, photostat, duplicate, reproduction, or facsimile unless authorized by the provisions of this code.

(g) To alter any identification card in any manner not authorized by this code.

(Amended by Stats. 1971, Ch. 1174.)

[paradiddleparadiddle]

I have read through it twice and see no mention of having BOTH an ID card and a Drivers License as being illegal. Did I miss anything?

[morrcarr67]

No you didn't.

Just remember to answer the questions on the 4473 truthfully.

[-hanko]

I have read through it twice and see no mention of having BOTH an ID card and a Drivers License as being illegal. Did I miss anything?

No.

The codes do not list what is legal, only illegal.

Perhaps my having one of each confused you?

[Armsmaster270]

However if you list a friends address to get the card when you reside in another state you may be had if you list the friends address on the 4473.

[003]

This may help a bit:

This is directly from the 4473 form.

State of residence.The State in which an individual resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is on active duty as a member of the Armed Forces, the individual's State of residence is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. An alien who is legally in the United States shall be considered to be a resident of a State only if the alien is residing in the State and has resided in the State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale or delivery of a firearm. The following are examples that illustrate this definition:

Example 1.

A maintains a home in State X. A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing, business, or other type of trip. A does not become a resident of State Y by reason of such trip.

Example 2.

A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.
Example 3.

A, an alien, travels on vacation or on a business trip to State X. Regardless of the length of time A spends in State X, A does not have a State of residence in State X. This is because A does not have a home in State X at which he has resided for at least 90 days.

[paradiddleparadiddle]

This may help a bit:

This is directly from the 4473 form.

State of residence.The State in which an individual resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is on active duty as a member of the Armed Forces, the individual's State of residence is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. An alien who is legally in the United States shall be considered to be a resident of a State only if the alien is residing in the State and has resided in the State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale or delivery of a firearm. The following are examples that illustrate this definition:

Example 1.

A maintains a home in State X. A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing, business, or other type of trip. A does not become a resident of State Y by reason of such trip.

Example 2.

A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.
Example 3.

A, an alien, travels on vacation or on a business trip to State X. Regardless of the length of time A spends in State X, A does not have a State of residence in State X. This is because A does not have a home in State X at which he has resided for at least 90 days.

Thanks! I was actually just reading through that. This makes me think it's completely legal as long as I am not lying about any of my residences.