AR pistols

[Ed_Hazard]

So assuming it was born a handgun in AZ where there isn't registration. You can take this "handgun" with its short barrel, slap a collapsable stock on it a legally have an SBR?


NO!, don not pass go! You need to read up on NFA laws in California. SBR are highly regulated, and frankly almost impossible for your run of the mill citizen to own here.

To legaly convert it to a rifle it would still need a barrel length of no shorter than 16" and then it could never be reassembled as a handgun.

What I honestly get from all of this is the reminder that trying to learn CA laws isn't worth it. I rock a shotgun for this reason because I refuse to buy a $1000 AR and put a bullet button on it making it less effective then a ruger 10/22.

You could all ways go with a featureless AR rifle and do away with the Bullet button.

CA is hillarious.

Just take some time to read up on the laws here in Ca. and dont be affraid to keep asking questions.

[Ed_Hazard]

And since I have a feeling you are going to ask, this is an exampleof a featureless AR.



Meaning it does not posses any of the "features" ( pistol grip, collapsable stock, grenade launcher etc..) that would make it an AW by Ca. definition.

[Chaos47]

So assuming it was born a handgun in AZ where there isn't registration. You can take this "handgun" with its short barrel, slap a collapsable stock on it a legally have an SBR?

What I honestly get from all of this is the reminder that trying to learn CA laws isn't worth it. I rock a shotgun for this reason because I refuse to buy a $1000 AR and put a bullet button on it making it less effective then a ruger 10/22.

CA is hillarious.

NO, you can not make an SBR of it in CA. Or federally without paperwork.
Its best if the AR pistols tube will not accept any stock.

You do realise that an AR pistol would be required to have a fixed magazine because it accepts a magazine outside the pistol grip right? "Bullet Buttons" are not just for rifles.

There is no such thing as a "featureless pistol" at least when it comes to ones that accept the magazine outside of the pistol grip. I guess you could call a classic pistol "featureless" but no one does.

[kentactic]

Just take some time to read up on the laws here in Ca. and dont be affraid to keep asking questions.

Well my confusion is this. I already knew the 16" barrel length law for rifles. But I don't see how this AR pistol can be considered not a handgun and still have this short of a barrel. I'm being told from a gun store friend that it need not be registered like a handgun... well I'm thinking its a long gun then... and that would be a long gun with less then a 16" barrel... which is illegal...

[kentactic]

And since I have a feeling you are going to ask, this is an exampleof a featureless AR.



Meaning it does not posses any of the "features" ( pistol grip, collapsable stock, grenade launcher etc..) that would make it an AW by Ca. definition.

Ya I'm totally with you on the featureless thing.

See I think I know the laws but it seems everyone who is suppose to know them dosent and is confusing me. Its cut and dry right. If its less then a 16" barrel it has to be a handgun and follow all handgun laws to be legal..... right?

The short barrel length alone leaves "handgun" as the only legal possibility... that means no stock allowed and requires it to be registered....

[SC_SD]

I will make this simple for you OP:

- The stripped lower is a Rifle and it can never become a pistol, ever, if that was how it was DROSed in CA, OR if filled out as a rifle on 4473 in AZ.

- If he purchased the stripped lower in AZ, and it was never assembled as a Rifle, and on 4473 in AZ it is listed as other, then he can build it out and PPT it to you, but is MUST be a completed pistol, NOT just the receiver.

This is because the FFL who then transfers the pistol to you in CA will have to DROS it as a handgun, and you need a completed handgun to perform the Safety Demonstration, in addition to you HSC.

WRT other considerations, the above pertains to CA law. CA has SBR laws, and so does the US Federally. Under these laws, assuming the pistol is correct per the above guidelines, you can put any barrel length of upper on it, from 6.5" - 16", and per CA AW laws, not SBR laws, the configuration would require a BB.

You CANNOT go featureless, ie no BB, on a pistol as the magazine is outside of the pistol grip. With a BB, there is no limitation on features such as threaded barrel, pistol grip etc. Again these are CA AW laws, still nothing to do with Federal / State SBR laws. CA does not allow SBRs.

The primary consideration after you have discerned the pistol was properly DROSed as a pistol, transferred to you in a completed form with BB, is the stock. You cannot put a stock on the buffer tube, nor can you use a SIG Arm brace as a stock. Read my explanation of that here.

IANAL, YMMV.