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  • BennyW
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 706

    How Long Before Pronouncing Judgement?

    Do you guys wait before deciding a new gun is a keeper? I picked up an M&P40 but came home from the range last night bugged by the trigger. Too much slop & an inaudible reset. Not sure whether to spring for the Apex kit or to cut my losses. Although it does seem like investing time dry firing it may help with trigger control on all my guns since the trigger takes so much concentration. Anyway, a few sessions or a few months - what do you guys do?
  • #2
    Off the Roster
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 2354

    pistol - 500+- rounds for the trigger to break in, depending on the gun.
    Last edited by Off the Roster; 09-27-2013, 2:49 AM.

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    • #3
      SoberClurichaun
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2013
      • 1437

      I can feel when my trigger resets on my m&p. You'll get the feel for it in a few rounds!
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      • #4
        Uriah02
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 3149

        I know if I like it after the first couple dry fires.
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        • #5
          davbog44
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 520

          For me it depends on more than one variable. Generally speaking, I won't buy a handgun that doesn't feel right in my hands, regardless of how many other gun gurus and guys on gun boards tout how wonderful it is.

          But I have had guns that "grew on me." When I first bought my SIG P228 (a long time ago) I was used to S&W revolvers and it was several range trips before I really grew to love that P228. But once I did, all I can say is it's a love that will last a lifetime.

          Other guns I knew I would love before they store even finished writing me up. My little HK P2000 SK is one like that.

          FWIW, if the trigger is the only thing you DON'T like about the M&P, I read nothing but positives about doing the Apex trigger on the M&P series.

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          • #6
            madsend81
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2012
            • 925

            A little polish job on the Striker block and trigger bar will do wonders as well. I did that to mine and found a marked improvement in the gritty feel during takeup. I haven't put in the Apex trigger or sear kit on mine, but I too have heard nothing but good news about the upgrade.
            Disclaimer: For all you know, I am just some dude on the internet. The advice I give is worth what you have paid for it!

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            • #7
              dadennis
              Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 346

              Apex kit made BIG difference on my M&P 45. Was well worth it and easy to install. Their youtube installation vids are helpful too.

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              • #8
                Oldmandan
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2012
                • 2721

                Originally posted by BennyW
                Do you guys wait before deciding a new gun is a keeper? I picked up an M&P40 but came home from the range last night bugged by the trigger. Too much slop & an inaudible reset. Not sure whether to spring for the Apex kit or to cut my losses. Although it does seem like investing time dry firing it may help with trigger control on all my guns since the trigger takes so much concentration. Anyway, a few sessions or a few months - what do you guys do?
                Same issue here. Bought a M&P40C early this year, and hate the trigger. I put the Apex kit in, but haven't tried it out yet. Probably next week.

                If you don't like it, sell it before you do the Apex kit. I'm into mine for $750 already, who would pay that for a used M&P40C?
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                • #9
                  RobertMW
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 2117

                  If it fits my hand, that is 98% of it for me. Triggers can be improved, or I can get used to them, but the ergonomics are pretty much fixed. I shoot glocks, 1911s, M&P's, and Sig's; I can run all of them, but personally my p226 is 100% the best fit for my hand, even though I run my G35 in competition because it is just a bit better for that setting.
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                  • #10
                    RoundEye
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                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 3671

                    I had a student recently with an M&P9, and not having an audible trigger reset, or even a real positive "click" is kind of a turnoff for me. There is something there, so I imagine with enough trigger time and training, one would get use to it.

                    I agree as others have said that it should be all about the feel to you. If it's not comfortable, or unnatural let it go.
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                    • #11
                      Whatisthis?
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 1820

                      Originally posted by Uriah02
                      I know if I like it after the first couple dry fires.
                      I'm the same way.

                      Personally, the Apex doesn't seem to make the hearing of the reset much more noticeable, but I can feel the reset with and without the apex parts really well.

                      The apex trigger also makes it realllly nice IMO. I have a DCAEK in my 9c and it is by far better than a Glock trigger with a 3.5# connector, heavier trigger spring, and a polish job.

                      And what I like about the DCAEK is that it is specifically called "Duty/Carry" and it's not some unknown modification of the trigger that could look worse in court. I mean, they'll make anything look bad, but they can only do so much damage when it's called a "Carry" kit.

                      I hear the trigger smooths out over time, but I knew I liked the apex parts, so I just sprang for them.

                      YMMV

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                      • #12
                        pastureofmuppets
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2013
                        • 1805

                        I need to make a snippet for this piece of text...


                        Give it a 1000 round trigger job before spending money on a trigger job. It's cheaper and you get to shoot the thing.

                        People get all kinds of obsessed about how the trigger feels and then reset... they need to go and shoot the damn thing instead of obsessing over it.
                        Host of the FAST OC podcast.

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                        • #13
                          BigFatGuy
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 3176

                          I do my "due diligence" before buying. If I spend money on a gun, I'm keeping it!

                          (or, in the case of my dream gun: the Desert Eagle .50, I have such a 14-year-old-boy-playing-Call-of-duty-hard-on for it, it won't matter how much it sucks...)
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                          • #14
                            Brandon04GT
                            In Memoriam
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 3016

                            You could try and get hold of the newest/revised slide stop which puts inward pressure on the trigger bar to produce a more tactile click...

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                            • #15
                              BennyW
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 706

                              I really love how it feels in the hand. The ergos are fantastic. I think I'm used to my M9, and the M&P trigger moves differently. I'm willing to shoot it for a while. I was just curious if other users can tell more quickly whether a gun will work for them. Thanks for the input everyone.

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