1911 in Condition 0

[redcliff]

Whoa people, please stop quoting me out of context.

I carry condition 1 always. But I wouldn't call condition 0 stupid. condition 0 is pretty much the same as a Springfield XD.

My comment was a direct response to another members post regarding 1911's which I in fact quoted in my response. The Springfield XD has two safeties that are removed by pulling the trigger plus the grip safety.

In point of fact,in his book "To Ride,To Shoot Straight,and to Speak the Truth" the esteemed Colonel advocated Condition 0 for DA/SA pistols.It's not a recommended procedure today,but Col. Cooper did favor it over the "crunch-tick" method of pulling through the DA shot.

My comment was a direct response to another members post regarding 1911's which I in fact quoted in my response. Col. Cooper was a well known advocate of "Condition One and Only" for 1911's, which is what I thought was the topic of this thread.

I think that most people that carry a 1911 naturally train themself to engage the manual safety so I don't think it's an issue, plenty of 1911 carriers carry in condition 0.

The post I was responding to.

Really? I've net met anyone that did something that stupid. Jeff Cooper called for "condition one and only" for a lot of good reasons.

The post you guys took out of context as I was clearly responding to SNCaliber's post addressing carrying 1911's in Condition 0.

[Lead Waster]

So a thinly disquised Glock troll?


I would say that Gaston might have a point in an ideal world where something happens, you pull the gun out of the holster, point and pull the trigger. A double action revolver would fit the bill nicely. Or a DA only semi-auto.

But life is not ideal so we need safeties. As mentioned, even the Glock has plenty of safeties.

What if a cop is carrying in this condition 0 in his holster and a bad guy grabs for the gun? The cop might find a nice hole in his leg.

[SNCaliber]

sorry guys I'm an idiot, I got confused what condition 1 and 0 was, I was referring to condition 1

[ausala]

But life is not ideal so we need safeties. As mentioned, even the Glock has plenty of safeties.

What if a cop is carrying in this condition 0 in his holster and a bad guy grabs for the gun? The cop might find a nice hole in his leg.

Doesn't even have to be a bad guy doing a grab for that to happen.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/09/02/lodi-police-officer-shot-when-child-pulled-trigger-on-his-gun-at-reading-event/

[Res]

The XD has a longer and heavier pull compared to a 1911 so it's not the best comparison. Don't the XDs have a trigger safety as well?

I see your point with the longer heavier pull.

The XD does have a trigger safety, but a 1911 is just as safe when your finger is off the trigger. I'm not a big believer in trigger safeties.

Whoa people, please stop quoting me out of context.

My comment was a direct response to another members post regarding 1911's which I in fact quoted in my response. The Springfield XD has two safeties that are removed by pulling the trigger plus the grip safety.

Redcliff, I don't think I quoted you out of context. You said said you never heard of someone stupid enough to carry in con. 0. I said in my opinion that its not that stupid...

also yes the the xd does have a grip safety. so does a 1911
yes an xd does have a trigger safety. but i've heard of more nd's with trigger safeties than without.

edit to add: I own both 1911's and XD's. Safeties are always engaged on both

[Gutpile66]

memory reflex drill

Yes. Thumb sweeps on draw no matter which weapon due to home draw practice with my Kimber. But, I still feel safer carrying a Glock . . . because of the trigger.

I was trained to "load" the Glock trigger as I push the pistol forward during sight acquisition. My Kimber will fire if I use the same method.

[scott_kart]

XRMike.

Silver tauren....

All this "what if" blah blah blah.....

I would honestly be more concerned about having a handgun with a mag disconnect than a manual safety...

There was a guy in Socal for security at a high school in LA somewhere. He was attacked by a student who whacked him upside the head with a baseball bat. He drew his primary carry gun, and seeing stars... fumbled the gun- hit the mag release. Pointed the gun... no boom.

It should have fired... There was still 1 in the chamber, but that mag disco *for your safety* did not allow it to fire.

He drew a backup handgun from an ankle holster and shot and killed his attacker.

So.... does your fancy no safety glock gen 4 have a mag disco?????
I hope you carry a backup....

This is real life example of a 'safety feature' --- IE mag disco almost costing someone their life. It shouldnt be too hard to find on the net... it was only a couple years ago somewhere around LA county at a public high school.

No Glocks have a "mag disco", they have a magazine release and yes, it will fire if there is a round in the chamber and no magazine in the well.

[redcliff]

Redcliff, I don't think I quoted you out of context. You said said you never heard of someone stupid enough to carry in con. 0. I said in my opinion that its not that stupid...

Well, you quoted me out of context again. What does an XD have to do with my comment regarding 1911 condition 0 carry being stupid? How are you disagreeing with something I never said in the first place?

[tacticalcity]

If you're gonna follow the Glock line of thinking, carry a Glock or Glock like gun. There is a reason the trigger pull on the Glock is heavier than that of a 1911 and there is a reason the Glock has a trigger safety. Your 1911 does not have those things and thus you need to engage your thumb safety in order to carry it safely. Stop trying to outsmart the world's leading experts on the subject of the 1911 - it is not a Glock.

[wu_dot_com]

As long as you have a thumb, you can flick the thumb safety, from any position even with an awkward grip. If my thumb is shot or cutoff, I'll give you that one.

When you train with long arms, don't you practice flicking the safety off when you shoulder the gun? Or do you plan to never have the safety on?

you dont have to give him any. when your thumb is shot off, your hand wont be able to hold any gun for that matter.