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[Erick Danielsen]

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[INFAMOUS762X39]

Thanks for the heads up, I may look into one now. That old reset is pretty much what turned me away from M&Ps.

[repomanNWP]

I've got a fullsize .40 on order now at Turners in Kearny Mesa. S&W forums have lots of info on improvements. Only tweaks i have planned are night sights, and polishing up some of the internals. Glad you are happy with your new M&P, can't wait to get mine.
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[Bug Splat]

Wonder if I can upgrade my m&p 45 with the new fcg.

[TheBest]

I have seen five different M&P9 triggers.

1. Stock (old) - I own this - you guys know this.
2. Stock (old) with the Apex RAM - I upgraded to this.
3. Stock (new) - I don't like this as much as #2 because it's not as loud or tactile as the RAM.
4. Stock (old) with Apex DCAEK - very consistent 5.5-lb pull - seemed spongy to me but the break is nice. I think if the RAM was added to this, it would be best.
5. Stock (new) with Apex FSS - 5-lb trigger, not as consistent as #4.

[NorCal Einstein]

I think it's great to see Smith and Wesson make progress toward improving issues that its customers have complained about in the past (and addressed with aftermarket upgrades). First was the trigger pull, and now the trigger reset.

[teflondog]

I was at the LGS with money to burn so I picked up a full size M&P 9 with the intent to swap everything out with Apex parts. I was surprised that the trigger was much better compared to the one that I previously owned. I took apart the sear housing to look at what changes they made to the sear. Either I got lucky or S&W is now installing their M&P Pro sears in their full size M&P guns. They cut back the hump of the sear that contacts the striker for a lighter pull. The biggest improvement was the reduction of the sear where it contacts the trigger bar. Instead of it being round, it's now cut at a 45 degree angle so that the trigger bar contacts the sear later in the pull. So there's a longer takeup but the over travel is greatly reduced and the reset is 90% as good as Glock. The reset is extremely short and has a very audible click. The only thing it lacks is the return force that a Glock has, but that's something an Apex Ram could fix. The trigger reminds me of the Apex Tactical hard sear but with a slightly heavier pull due to the small hump on the striker engagement face of the sear (the Apex hard sear doesn't have this hump). The stock takeup was still gritty but that completely vanished after I polished the part of the trigger bar where it ramps up the striker safety.

Edited to add: The M&P I bought was made in March 2013.

[joe_sun]

I agree with what you said. I tried the MP series a couple years ago and hated the trigger. My brother bought one a couple of months ago and the trigger is MUCH better. Not Glock good but still MUCH better.

[Legasat]

"Fixed" is a strong word. "Much improved" is probably more accurate.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

This is just my .02, but I think quibbles over the older M&P triggers are much about nothing.

I bought my full size and compact about 3 years ago. I have put many, many rounds through both guns and they just get smoother with age.

The weapons were very stiff and needed breaking in but I saw no other need for any improvements whatsoever. And FYI I carry one of these or the other every single day ( LEO duty and off duty guns)

These weapons have triggers that are light years ahead of traditional da/sa pistols. Learning to draw and fire these weapons quickly and accurately was not difficult.

I just don't get all the negative buzz about the triggers on these weapons. If people just took them out and shot them enough, rather than just accessorizing and fiddling with them, they'd find that it was always a great gun.

Just shoot the damn thing.

[Erick Danielsen]

This is just my .02, but I think quibbles over the older M&P triggers are much about nothing.

I bought my full size and compact about 3 years ago. I have put many, many rounds through both guns and they just get smoother with age.

The weapons were very stiff and needed breaking in but I saw no other need for any improvements whatsoever. And FYI I carry one of these or the other every single day ( LEO duty and off duty guns)

These weapons have triggers that are light years ahead of traditional da/sa pistols. Learning to draw and fire these weapons quickly and accurately was not difficult.

I just don't get all the negative buzz about the triggers on these weapons. If people just took them out and shot them enough, rather than just accessorizing and fiddling with them, they'd find that it was always a great gun.

Just shoot the damn thing.

In my opinion having a felt reset vs. not at all is a big deal. But thats just me, I thought it was a great gun in the first place but since I feel the way I do about resets, I chose to go with a Glock. I'm very happy about the improvement on the triggers. Thanks for your input though, I totally respect that. Lots of my friends could care less about trigger reset.

[Erick Danielsen]

I just picked up an M&P40 F/S at ProForce in Brea ($489.99 w/3 mags and factory night sights, BTW) last month. The reset is noticeably different from a buddy's that's about 2 years old. I'm really impressed with the M&P, especially as a lefty.

Leftys rule

[ASTMedic]

I was at the LGS with money to burn so I picked up a full size M&P 9 with the intent to swap everything out with Apex parts. I was surprised that the trigger was much better compared to the one that I previously owned. I took apart the sear housing to look at what changes they made to the sear. Either I got lucky or S&W is now installing their M&P Pro sears in their full size M&P guns. They cut back the hump of the sear that contacts the striker for a lighter pull. The biggest improvement was the reduction of the sear where it contacts the trigger bar. Instead of it being round, it's now cut at a 45 degree angle so that the trigger bar contacts the sear later in the pull. So there's a longer takeup but the over travel is greatly reduced and the reset is 90% as good as Glock. The reset is extremely short and has a very audible click. The only thing it lacks is the return force that a Glock has, but that's something an Apex Ram could fix. The trigger reminds me of the Apex Tactical hard sear but with a slightly heavier pull due to the small hump on the striker engagement face of the sear (the Apex hard sear doesn't have this hump). The stock takeup was still gritty but that completely vanished after I polished the part of the trigger bar where it ramps up the striker safety.

Edited to add: The M&P I bought was made in March 2013.

My .40FS (test fired 10/2012) has the new sear and the new universal sear housing. This trigger was very nice but I tweaked the sear (took some off the striker engaging surface) just a touch to lighten the pull and smooth it out just a bit. The universal sear housing won't allow you to use the Apex RAM anymore but reset is easy for me to find. The other plus of the universal housing is I was able to add the thumb safety.

[PandaBear]

I will be taking my M&P9 to the range tomorrow for the first time. Mine was test fired in 02/2013 and has the new sear and universal sear housing. I purchased the Apex USB and Hard Sear, but probably won't install them if it shoots great stock.

[joe_sun]

This is just my .02, but I think quibbles over the older M&P triggers are much about nothing.

I bought my full size and compact about 3 years ago. I have put many, many rounds through both guns and they just get smoother with age.

The weapons were very stiff and needed breaking in but I saw no other need for any improvements whatsoever. And FYI I carry one of these or the other every single day ( LEO duty and off duty guns)

These weapons have triggers that are light years ahead of traditional da/sa pistols. Learning to draw and fire these weapons quickly and accurately was not difficult.

I just don't get all the negative buzz about the triggers on these weapons. If people just took them out and shot them enough, rather than just accessorizing and fiddling with them, they'd find that it was always a great gun.

Just shoot the damn thing.

Short stroking the trigger is a huge deal and could cost you your life. For those of us who train and carry a firearm with a short, positive reset and also capture the trigger after each round, transitioning to a firearm with a mushy non distinct and long reset can cause short stroking.

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