Threaded barrel question

[Fjold]

Can anyone tell me what the restriction are on threaded barrels as it applies to pistols. Are there exemptions for pistols already owned when the legislation went into effect? Is/was there seperate registration required? I will admit that I got lost on the DOJ site looking for this.

[blkA4alb]

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

Unless you owned the pistol WITH the threaded barrel before 2000 then it is considered an assault weapon, and yes it has to be registered. If we could i would already have an HK USP Tactical.

[bwiese]

Can anyone tell me what the restriction are on threaded barrels as it applies to pistols. Are there exemptions for pistols already owned when the legislation went into effect? Is/was there seperate registration required? I will admit that I got lost on the DOJ site looking for this.

This is basic CA AW law; there are no 'exemptions'. If you have a semiauto centerfire pistol with a threaded barrel, it's an assault weapon.

It should have been registered by 12/31/00 since this is defined by "SB23" 'by features' laws (PC 12276.1).

If it was not registered, you are illegally possessing it (and illegally transporting it if you move it out of your home) thus triggering 12280(a) and 12280(b) violations, the former of which is a felony.

To not be illegal, your gun would have to have the the threaded barrel removed (and ideally kept way apart), or replaced with a new unthreaded barrel. You could also grind off the threads & reblue, or have a smith weld on some kind of thread protector cover on to the threads so they're permanently disabled.

[rips31]

could you have someone that's moving to kali with, say, a usp tactical, ppt it once they are moved here? heck, could they even bring it into the country and register it?

[montereytony]

It should have been registered by 12/31/00 since this is defined by "SB23" 'by features' laws (PC 12276.1).

Was this registration process different than just legally purchasing the gun in CA in 2000?

[blkA4alb]

Was this registration process different than just legally purchasing the gun in CA in 2000?

you couldnt have bought the gun in 2000, you had to have it BEFORE 2000. and yes the registration is different than standard handgun registration.

[montereytony]

you couldnt have bought the gun in 2000, you had to have it BEFORE 2000. and yes the registration is different than standard handgun registration.

Sorry for the NOOB questions!
Is/was there a notification sent from the FFL or DOJ ?

[Fjold]

Thanks everyone, so let me make sure that I understand it:

If the pistol was purchased in another state and brought into California in 1989 it still had to have a seperate registration before 12/31/2000 as an "assault weapon" if it had a non-permanently installed attatchment ?

If the threaded barrel had a compensator installed and sliver brazed in place then it would be legal?

[jerryg1776]

LocTite??

To not be illegal, your gun would have to have the the threaded barrel removed (and ideally kept way apart), or replaced with a new unthreaded barrel. You could also grind off the threads & reblue, or have a smith weld on some kind of thread protector cover on to the threads so they're permanently disabled.

So my questions is this - on my P-22 that I had to send back per the CA DOJ to be fixed because of the threaded barrel, it seems that all they did was replace the barrel nut with a smooth one and add some LocTite, thus making it CA compliant. It does not make it impossible or even difficult to remove using the correct tools (not that I would).

So since CA and S&W agreed to this type of fix.. would that make it, or set an accepted precedence, allowable to place a thread protector on the HK and just use LocTite (the kind you need high heat to break) to affix said thread protector, thus having the pistol fall outside the restrictions of the AW definition yet be "fixed" in a manner that was agreed upon between DOJ and S&W.

Just thinking outside the box.. and trying to show that the CA solution that was agreed upon is flawed if it cannot be extended to other types of pistols. Of course on the P-22, the barrel nut is an integrel part of the pistol that is needed to secure it on and function. On the HK it is not.

So my next question would be - if its illegal and CA DOJ allowed a "fix", is that fix legal?

[Fjold]

How the **** would you field strip it or replace the barrel if a comp were fixed to the threads? How would you replace the O-ring?

You can probably get an unthreaded aftermarket barrel with the groove for the barrel O-ring. You'd be limited to buying PPT from a seller who's modified it in such a way. You couldn't buy a modified one from out of state sinceh it's not on the approved list.

Think of a 1911 with a full length recoil guide (no barrel bushing, no O-ring) What pistol has an O-ring?
After the slide lock is released, the slide comes off of the frame and then the barrel comes out the front of the slide.

[ohsmily]

Think of a 1911 with a full length recoil guide (no barrel bushing, no O-ring) What pistol has an O-ring?
After the slide lock is released, the slide comes off of the frame and then the barrel comes out the front of the slide.

1911 barrels remove from the front which is why you can have a perm attached comp or brake on them....most other pistols have the barrel remove from the rear so you couldn't have a perm attached comp or brake.

[CTT2]

could you have someone that's moving to kali with, say, a usp tactical, ppt it once they are moved here? heck, could they even bring it into the country and register it?

The hand gun had to had been register in California in 2000. Even if you owned the USP tactical in say 1999 in another state. You cannot bring it into California. And the tactical is not even on the approve list, even if you change it to a non threaded barrel you will still be breaking the law. Of couse if you do change it to a none threaded barrel, most cops probably won't even care or know if it is a tactical. But if someone really wants to be an ******* and runs the serial number check on it and if they know that a USP tactical isn't suppose to be in California you will be ****ed.

[NeoWeird]

The hand gun had to had been register in California in 2000. Even if you owned the USP tactical in say 1999 in another state. You cannot bring it into California. And the tactical is not even on the approve list, even if you change it to a non threaded barrel you will still be breaking the law. Of couse if you do change it to a none threaded barrel, most cops probably won't even care or know if it is a tactical. But if someone really wants to be an ******* and runs the serial number check on it and if they know that a USP tactical isn't suppose to be in California you will be ****ed.

That only applies to handguns sold through an FFL. If it was a PPT (through an FFL as mediator of course) then you could legally buy one.

That does NOT change the fact that the barrel can NOT be threaded in anyway if it is not registered as an assault weapon. If you registered a pistol, say a Tec 9, because it had a removable magazine outside of the grip, then I am fairly sure that you could have a threaded barrel then, as it is already registered as an assault weapon. However, if it is not registered as an assault weapon then you can't have it in any way.

The funny thing is, there is no law against having threads, only if it's on the barrel. So as far as I know, using the rail on your USP and making a light style attachment that comes up in front of the barrel like a comp (not attached to the barrel in any way) with threads on it would be completely legal as far as I know. I'm no expert, but as long as the barrel itself is not threaded, nor is anything attached to it that is threaded (you can't have a thread adapter that has a set screw on it or something like that), then it should be completely legal.

omglegislationloopholelolz

ETA: What I am talking about:

[paradox]

The funny thing is, there is no law against having threads, only if it's on the barrel. So as far as I know, using the rail on your USP and making a light style attachment that comes up in front of the barrel like a comp (not attached to the barrel in any way) with threads on it would be completely legal as far as I know. I'm no expert, but as long as the barrel itself is not threaded, nor is anything attached to it that is threaded (you can't have a thread adapter that has a set screw on it or something like that), then it should be completely legal.

Maybe we can get Colt to bring the Colt SOCOM OHWS back from the dead. Or better yet, get a company that actually sells guns to poach the cool ideas and sell us a similar pistol.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg168-e.htm

[montereytony]

ETA: What I am talking about:

Your image implies that just changing out the barrel is not enough. Is that true ?