East German Makarovs?

[kenc9]

I found a dealer with some pretty nice EG Maks for 310.00 Shipped free 95% or better. Does this seem like the going rate? Or are there better deals anywhere?

-ken

[xenophobe]

Yeah, those are decent prices. The EG Maks are easily the nicest, with the exception to C&R Russian Maks, which are impossible to get.

As far as I recollect, they're not C&R in California, and would need to be PPT'ed.

[Trader Jack]

Yeah, those are decent prices. The EG Maks are easily the nicest, with the exception to C&R Russian Maks, which are impossible to get.

As far as I recollect, they're not C&R in California, and would need to be PPT'ed.

The East German Makarov is indeed C&R as is the Russian Military Maks from the 60's and 70's and 80's

[zatoh]

The East German Makarov is indeed C&R as is the Russian Military Maks from the 60's and 70's and 80's

Yes, yes! - that's how I got mine. No ten day wait with my COE and 03 FFL. I am amazed that the prices have crept up so much. Seems the $300 area is the going wait.

Good luck!

[xenophobe]

The East German Makarov is indeed C&R as is the Russian Military Maks from the 60's and 70's and 80's

Yes, but to qualify as a C&R in California, it must also be more than 50 years old.

[kenc9]

I got my two the same way, must be a grey area. While being a Fed C&R and as long as you Reg. them they are not required to be on the Ca. safety list but you can get them all the same.

I didn't ask any questions just said ok

-ken

[xenophobe]

It's not a grey area. As a California C&R, you're not supposed to get handguns in the mail, you're supposed to go through a FFL. Many people will ship C&R handguns to California C&R holders, even though according to the state it's not legal.

[kenc9]

It's not a grey area. As a California C&R, you're not supposed to get handguns in the mail, you're supposed to go through a FFL. Many people will ship C&R handguns to California C&R holders, even though according to the state it's not legal.

All handguns need to be registered but I didn't get them in the mail, I was referring to the grey area of Fed C&R but not Cal. C&R and not needing to be on the ca. approved list is all.

-ken

[xenophobe]

Umm...

Anyways, you're not even supposed to go out of state and buy them and bring them back. California law > Federal law in this case.

Sure, you can do it, and you probably won't get caught either.

[kenc9]

Umm...

Anyways, you're not even supposed to go out of state and buy them and bring them back. California law > Federal law in this case.

Sure, you can do it, and you probably won't get caught either.

I don't know if your referring to me bringing it into the state or not.

If you are I don't know where you come up with this stuff!

My Maks were from FFL in one to an FFL in this state like several others I know of that did the same thing. Apparently as long as it is a federal C&R
and it gets registered FFL's have no problem. I would presume if two FFL's along with the reg. period was allowed it is legal.


-ken

[jmlivingston]

California law > Federal law in this case.

Not really... Federal law says that the transaction must be a legal transaction in the state of residence. Not so much that CA law is greater than Federal law, but that the Federal law in this instance refers back to state requirements. (Okay, semantics, I know...)

Yes, but to qualify as a C&R in California, it must also be more than 50 years old.

No. California does not attempt to define what a C&R is or is not. See below.

I was referring to the grey area of Fed C&R but not Cal. C&R

There's no grey area here at all! Curio & Relic is a Federal term, not State. In fact, California does not attempt to define C&R anywhere. Where needed, California consistently refers to the Federal definition.

What California does do is exclude long-guns from the DROS process when they are older than 50 years. Just so happens that any firearm over 50 y.o. happens to be C&R at the Federal level as well. Two different things: one State, one Federal. Note that online ordering of certain C&R rifles is permitted with a C&R FFL because of two things: 1) Meeting the Federal requirement for interstate commerce of firearms by the use of an appropriate Federal license and 2) Meeting the Federal requrement of the transaction being legal in CA because the sale of 50 y.o. long-guns aren't restricted except to certain classes of citizens such as felons.

For handguns, CA recognizes the Federal License and allows it to be used in conjunction with the states own Certificate of Eligability to waive certain requirements (10 day wait period and frequency of purchase limitations). California has also excluded handguns as defined by the Feds from the requirements of the safety test.

John

[kenc9]

Where it gets a little more confusing is a C&R Makarov with a 1962 build date. A legal C&R federally but not in this state because they don't recognize C&R's less than 50 years old. That is what I have never gotten the same answer from every FFL on. The ones that just do it make you register it, some make you wait ten days some don't, they also don't make you have a certificate.

-ken

[maxicon]

jmlivingston has it right. You can't confuse long guns and handguns when discussing this part of California law.

For the Cali C&R pistol safety test exemption, all that matters is the federal C&R designation, which the state follows - Cali doesn't define what is and isn't C&R. Age doesn't matter, as long as it's on the Federal C&R list.

For rifles, Cali doesn't mention C&R, just that the rifle is exempt from certain transfer restrictions if it's over 50 years old. These happen to be C&R, but there are rifles on the federal C&R list that aren't freely transferable in Cali because they're not 50 years old. The Yugo M59 SKS is an example of this.

max

[kenc9]

Thats intersting, would you mind point me to where state law referrs to that being correct for referrence?

I have always heard that Ca. doesn't recognize curios under 50 years.

Thanks, Ken

[jmlivingston]

A legal C&R federally but not in this state because they don't recognize C&R's less than 50 years old.

Again, CA does not determine C&R status for anything!

That is what I have never gotten the same answer from every FFL on. The ones that just do it make you register it, some make you wait ten days some don't, they also don't make you have a certificate.

I think most of us here have realized that the majority of FFL's in this state have just a bare comprehension of the laws regarding the products they sell. That's what makes guys like Wes and Pirate special - they do have an understanding! There's others here as well that do. Without these guys around many of us wouldn't be sitting here with an ability to build .223/5.56 self-loaders.

All handgun sales must be "registered". If you buy one from an FFL in-state it's "registered" as a part of the DROS process. If you buy one out of state and personally import it you "register" it via mail-in form with a $19 fee. If you have a COE you can bypass the 10-day-wait associated with the DROS and the 1-per-30-day rule. I suggest you read the Firearms Law Summary Booklet located at the DoJ website. Take a look starting at page #39 where you'll find the following (sections not pertinant to this discussion have been snipped out):

Handgun Safety, Functionality, and Testing Requirementshttp://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/certlist.htm.

Exceptions

The prohibition against manufacturing, importing, selling, or giving an unsafe handgun does not apply to the following:

Hope that helps, and provides the references you were looking for.

John