ar pistol question

[eclipse668]

I am trying to do an ar pistol build and want to double check laws. I am planning on doing an 80 percent lower, 11 inch upper, bullet button and AFG. Is that all legit?

Also, can I do a ten round mag or does it have to be a sled mag?

Can I put a single point sling on it?

Thanks, just trying to check and make sure. I tried to contact cal doj but havent herd back.

[jonc]

10rnd mag
BB

AFG ok ???? I wouldn't , that's just me.

Sling ok

GTG

[Sullivado09]

an angled foregrip is a yes....

[jonc]

an angled foregrip is a yes....

I know lot if guys that run AFG on pistol,

Would you run it on a featureless AR build?

[eclipse668]

Would you run it on a featherless AR build?

Thanks guys. jonc not sure what that means. It will have everything listed above, if that helps.

[sirgiles]

a picture paint a 1000 words.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=110703

[MrOrange]

You have to build it as an SSE, with mag block, and then you can convert it to a fixed mag ten-shooter. While it's legal to build your own firearm, you still have to build a legal firearm. Which is why some guys take photos not only of them doing the machining on the 80% themselves, but also installing the SS parts.

I know, I know, but as Col. Cooper once put it: "Curious are the ways of the magistrates."


And please don't bother DOJ about stuff that's been well-established. I know the search function built into the forum sucks, but just use google for your search item along with "calguns" and you'll get a bunch of good reading.

I know lot if guys that run AFG on pistol,

Would you run it on a featureless AR build?

Sounds like a rifle question, but the same ATF reasoning applies: AFG does not equal VFG.



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[stix213]

AFG is fine because there is an ATF letter saying it is legit, you should be able to find it with a bit of searching here. There is no CA issues with an AFG on a fixed mag pistol. AFG on a featureless AR rifle is a completely different set of laws and issues, so not at all the same discussion.

[Ninety]

Department of Justice Regulations for Assault Weapons and Large Capacity Magazines

FINAL STATEMENT OF REASONS
Hearing Dates: February 24, 2000, Sacramento, California
February 28, 2000, Los Angeles, California

UPDATE OF INITIAL STATEMENT OF REASONS

Section 978.10 - Title and Scope

There is no information to be updated. This section was adopted as originally proposed.

Section 978.20 - Definitions of Terms Used to Identify Assault Weapons

Section 978.20 further defines terms used in Penal Code section 12276.1 to describe the characteristics that identify a firearm as an assault weapon. The six terms (Section 978.20 (a-f)) initially identified in this section are addressed separately relative to the revisions made to each of the original definitions proposed by the Department and subsequently noticed and modified.

978.20 (c) - Forward Pistol Grip
The proposed definition originally noticed to the public defined a forward pistol grip as “any protrusion in front of the trigger that is designed or intended to grasp and control the firearm.” As a result of public comment during the initial comment period (December 31, 1999 through February 28, 2000), the Department determined the term “any protrusion” appeared to lack clarity in that it could include many shooting accessories or parts of the firearm that may be used to grasp and control the firearm, but could not be considered forward pistol grips, such as sling swivels, bipods and monopods, palm rests, etc. The definition was therefore revised by replacing “any protrusion” with “a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp.” The Department believes that the concept of a “pistol style grasp” is generally understood by persons affected by the regulations. The revised definition: “forward pistol grip means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp forward of the trigger” was then noticed to the public during the first 15-day comment period (May 10 through May 30, 2000). Although additional comments were received, no comments were received during the first 15-day comment period that warranted additional revisions to the definition.

A hand stop is legit as well per this thread.http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=446582

[Hispanic_Hercules]

THIS SHOULD ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS

I am trying to do an ar pistol build and want to double check laws. I am planning on doing an 80 percent lower, 11 inch upper, bullet button and AFG. Is that all legit?

Also, can I do a ten round mag or does it have to be a sled mag?

Can I put a single point sling on it?

Thanks, just trying to check and make sure. I tried to contact cal doj but havent herd back.

AFG is legit per atf.. I have this bookmarked on my smartphone just in case I am out with my pistol and it goes into question..

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0qyloA48O3XZWFjYjMwYTMtYTg1MC00NzVhLWI3NmMtZDRiNTMzNzdhMzUx/edit?hl=en&pli=1

[SFgiants105]

Why does one need to keep the BB on the firearm after converting it from single-shot? As long as it is legally classified as a pistol (as per Fed law) and the magazine size restriction (10 rds) is not violated, can't you legally have a detachable mag?

[stix213]

Why does one need to keep the BB on the firearm after converting it from single-shot? As long as it is legally classified as a pistol (as per Fed law) and the magazine size restriction (10 rds) is not violated, can't you legally have a detachable mag?

You're forgetting CA AWB law. Detachable magazine pistols with the mag outside the pistol grip are illegal AW's. Also you normally would have other AW pistol features like a threaded barrel too. Fixed magazine avoids those issues.

[Munny$hot]

With a 26" OAL which qualifies it as a "Firearm" you can use a pistol grip.

http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

[SFgiants105]

You're forgetting CA AWB law. Detachable magazine pistols with the mag outside the pistol grip are illegal AW's. Also you normally would have other AW pistol features like a threaded barrel too. Fixed magazine avoids those issues.

Ah yes I did indeed forget. Disregard previous post.

[eclipse668]

thanks for all the help and responses. I am finishing the build now and once I can get a magazine in from anyone in the world that isn't backordered I can go test fire it. I'll make sure to post some pics. Thanks Hisp hercules for the ATF letter as well. Saved to my computer and printed for reference