Handgun Flowchart Omission?

[sreiter]

Perhaps I missed it, or perhaps it was left off intentionally, but I don't see any reference to bringing in a non-roster approved gun if you are moving here from out of state.

Out of state folks moving here, relying on the flowchart for guidance might be helped out with that info, actually I dont see mention of the safe gun rooster listed at all on the flowchart.

[kf6tac]

It's probably because the flow would be (as far as I can recall right now) exactly the same. If it's legal under the flowchart, it's legal to bring in. The only other issue is the capacity of the magazines, but that's not handgun-specific.

[ke6guj]

I wrote the handgun flowchart to deal with the legality of the handgun as it sits there. It doesn't cover how you came to possess it. It doesn't cover the roster, because it isn't illegal to own an off-roster handgun that otherwise complies with CA law.

[JeremyS]

...actually I dont see mention of the safe gun rooster listed at all on the flowchart...

The Roster has absolutely zero to do with what is legal to own and zero to do with bringing guns into the state when you move to CA. That process is completely exempt from the Roster and it is a total non-issue (or any rooster ). The Roster controls what guns can be sold by an FFL to a citizen and absolutely nothing more than that limited scope.

[IrishPirate]

I think OP was just talking about adding a blurb that clarifies the points made here...not sure that it's necessary, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt.

[Garandimal]

Flowchart...?

Flowchart for choosing a handgun for defensive use






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[sreiter]

I think OP was just talking about adding a blurb that clarifies the points made here...not sure that it's necessary, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt.

Exactly. If the flow chart is to help those who otherwise dont know what is or is not legal in Cali, I think it would be helpful to include all legal avenues. Including single shot exemptions.

[sreiter]

The Roster has absolutely zero to do with what is legal to own and zero to do with bringing guns into the state when you move to CA. That process is completely exempt from the Roster and it is a total non-issue (or any rooster ). The Roster controls what guns can be sold by an FFL to a citizen and absolutely nothing more than that limited scope.

HUH??? for the common person, who NEEDS the flowchart, what is on the rooster IS what is legal to own.

The flowchart could break off with "on rooster" - n > buying in state -> SSE -n-> already own and moving into state ->Y-> .....

[sreiter]

I wrote the handgun flowchart to deal with the legality of the handgun as it sits there. It doesn't cover how you came to possess it. It doesn't cover the roster, because it isn't illegal to own an off-roster handgun that otherwise complies with CA law.

But the common person who isn't on this board doesnt know that. Thats the whole reason they came up the rooster. What was legal to sell/buy through gun stores .... smart people found exemptions and IMO, but not showing WHAT those otherwise compliant laws are, the flowchart is lacking

[Kingofthehill]

as a recent citizen back behind enemy lines after 4 years of freedom in TX with no choice but to return i knew i had to take apart all my magazines over 10rds but what snuck up on me to the point i had to bend over and sell it for damn near nothing was my Judge and governor .410/.45acp/.45lc....

[ke6guj]

Exactly. If the flow chart is to help those who otherwise dont know what is or is not legal in Cali, I think it would be helpful to include all legal avenues. Including single shot exemptions.

But the common person who isn't on this board doesnt know that. Thats the whole reason they came up the rooster. What was legal to sell/buy through gun stores .... smart people found exemptions and IMO, but not showing WHAT those otherwise compliant laws are, the flowchart is lacking

the bottom line is that I am not going to modify the flowchart to deal with on-roster/off-roster, SSE, intrafamily transfers, new resident imports, homebuilding, PPT, LEO-exemption, C&R exemption, or other ways that one can acquire a handgun in CA. It also does not cover 922r.

The flowchart covers the legality of the handgun itself as it sits there

[JeremyS]

Exactly. If the flow chart is to help those who otherwise dont know what is or is not legal in Cali, I think it would be helpful to include all legal avenues. Including single shot exemptions.

HUH??? for the common person, who NEEDS the flowchart, what is on the rooster IS what is legal to own.

Dude, you're totally confused and you're trying to combine two things that are not related to each other at all. What's legal in Cali has nothing to do with the Roster. What's on the roster is ABSOLUTELY NOT a list of what's legal to own!!!

The flowchart is about what you can do to a gun you already own; or what things make a handgun illegal according to CA. What violates CA's assault weapons laws, etc. The flowchart has NOTHING to do with purchasing a gun. That is a totally separate issue, and that is why there are separate stickies specifically for the Roster, for SSE, etc, here that deal with purchasing/acquiring a gun. MOST guns that are not on the roster are still legal per the flowchart.

The Roster is about what you can buy from an FFL. You do NOT need any sort of flowchart for that, because your FFL won't have a gun available that isn't on the Roster. The Roster is public, and you can look on there and see if the gun you want is on it: http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/ ...no flowchart necessary -- it's either on there or it isn't! Yes or no.

The flowchart is for questions like: "can I put a threaded barrel in my Glock?" So you look at the flowchart and you see that, no, that's a violation of CA law but you keep following the flowchart and you learn that you could do it if you have a magazine lock on the gun.

For the question of, "is the CZ SP-01 Tactical available for purchase from an FFL in California?" you simply search the Roster. You will find that it is not on there. So, there are stickies in this forum that show you Roster-exempt ways of obtaining the gun.


EDIT: btw I have to be honest; it's a bit hard to take you seriously when you keep saying "rooster" instead of "Roster"

[sreiter]

Dude, you're totally confused and you're trying to combine two things that are not related to each other at all. What's legal in Cali has nothing to do with the Roster. What's on the roster is ABSOLUTELY NOT a list of what's legal to own!!!

The flowchart is about what you can do to a gun you already own; or what things make a handgun illegal according to CA. What violates CA's assault weapons laws, etc. The flowchart has NOTHING to do with purchasing a gun. That is a totally separate issue, and that is why there are separate stickies specifically for the Roster, for SSE, etc, here that deal with purchasing/acquiring a gun. MOST guns that are not on the roster are still legal per the flowchart.

The Roster is about what you can buy from an FFL. You do NOT need any sort of flowchart for that, because your FFL won't have a gun available that isn't on the Roster. The Roster is public, and you can look on there and see if the gun you want is on it: http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/ ...no flowchart necessary -- it's either on there or it isn't! Yes or no.

The flowchart is for questions like: "can I put a threaded barrel in my Glock?" So you look at the flowchart and you see that, no, that's a violation of CA law but you keep following the flowchart and you learn that you could do it if you have a magazine lock on the gun.

interesting. i thought it followed the format of the OLL flowchart which is all about getting something that we didnt have/thought we could never get, as opposed to what can i do with something i already have ...

[ke6guj]

interesting. i thought it followed the format of the OLL flowchart which is all about getting something that we didnt have/thought we could never get, as opposed to what can i do with something i already have ...

I designed the handgun and shotgun flowcharts so that you could determine if a certain firearm that you had or thought about getting or building, was legal to possess, not for how to acquire it. there are too many ways that you can get off-roster handgun for it to be included in the flowchart. the flowcharts are already 4 pages of material and those that are printing them out to pass out at gunshows and shops want it trimmed down to 2 pages (1 double-sided print) and you want more info on it? It'd be 6+ pages if it dealt with every off-roster and roster-exempt acquisition method.

[Saym14]

Exactly. If the flow chart is to help those who otherwise dont know what is or is not legal in Cali, I think it would be helpful to include all legal avenues. Including single shot exemptions.

I can see it now.

did you steal this handgun ? no then legal, yes, then illegal......