My how handgun training has changed

[Invisible_Dave]

We call it "shooting from retention." Still is taught today. It's quite useful in close in confrontations and building searches.

[9mmepiphany]

Shooting from Retention was an evolution of the Speed Rock.

The way I've seen Retention taught, the gun is brought up higher before it is rotated (Position 2) and is usually canted outward to clear the clothing...plus you don't have to lean back. It is a little slower, but gives better index.

Hey, I think I found one of 9mmepiphany's old Academy pics!

Hey, I still have that Mauser in the cabinet...the sword (Dao) is around here somewhere

[9mmepiphany]

They still teach it in Frontsight as far as I know. They use the 5 steps drawing, and speed rock/point shooting is the step three.

I wonder where they added a step from what Gunsite teaches?

I was taught point shooting with the forearm parallel with the ground and extended out until the upper arm was inline with the body; like the 5 Combat Masters (Chapman, Carl, Reed, Cooper, Weaver) in the picture above in post #7...I liked the little dig Weaver took at Cooper in the vid.

[Lugiahua]

I wonder where they added a step?

I was taught point shooting with the forearm parallel with the ground and extended out until the upper arm was inline with the body...like the 4 Combat Masters in the picture above in post #7

I don't have their textbook in hand, so it's based on my memory

1. grip the firearm
2. clear the muzzle from the holster
3. turn firearm toward enemy (point shooting position)
4. push firearm toward enemy, support hand grip over
5. point in, focus on frontsight and fire.

[350skylark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro7N7dAmjLY

for some reason i cant get the embed video up



another cool video there's a bunch for other weapons too.

[9mmepiphany]

Please don't copy his shooting style in his other videos...it would lead you down the wrong path to improving your shooting...they are entertaining, but not instructional

[sjm9877]

After years of practice trying to maintain good technique. I find shooting at the range boring. The more I shoot lately it seems I want to try things out of the normal comfort zone.

I love shooting in akward positions, or on the move. I shoot more weak hand only and a lot of time I never look at my sights anymore. It's been very interesting learning how to shoot from retention. At first I thought it was a waste of time. But now I feel very confident within 10 yards.

Does anyone practice at 50 plus yards with a pistol. I love shooting 50 and 100 yards. Last time at the range I set the target at 50. Both people next to me asked if I could hit anything from that far. They said it's not practical for a pistol. To their suprize it's very possible.

Does anyone else practice like this? When I'm at the range it seems everybody is doing the same old thing. 7 to 10 yards 2 hands.

[hermosabeach]

One of the best Speed Rock demonstrations isfrom the movie collateral

Tom Cruise shoots two guys who took his briefcase.
He starts from speed rock then extends to full extension.

[Lugiahua]

One of the best Speed Rock demonstrations isfrom the movie collateral

Tom Cruise shoots two guys who took his briefcase.
He starts from speed rock then extends to full extension.

I think that Liam Neeson did a few times in Taken as well, especially on the boat when he push a guard's sub-gun away while shooting him from hip by another hand

[GM_77]

for some reason i cant get the embed video up



another cool video there's a bunch for other weapons too.

[y o u t u b e]Ro7N7dAmjLY[/y o u t u b e] Just take the last letters/digits after the "=" sign and it should do it.

[unusedusername]

After years of practice trying to maintain good technique. I find shooting at the range boring. The more I shoot lately it seems I want to try things out of the normal comfort zone.
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Does anyone practice at 50 plus yards with a pistol. I love shooting 50 and 100 yards. Last time at the range I set the target at 50. Both people next to me asked if I could hit anything from that far. They said it's not practical for a pistol. To their suprize it's very possible.

Does anyone else practice like this? When I'm at the range it seems everybody is doing the same old thing. 7 to 10 yards 2 hands.

I'm careful about this "comfort zone" thing. To me the "comfort zone" is whatever I know I can do safely. If I can not do it safely then I don't do it at all until I first learn how to do it.

That being said, I've shot the steel at Sunnyvale range 100 yards with my 9mm X-Five. It's easier then it looks, you just need a slim front sight so the sights are not larger then the target.

[SilverTauron]

There is a vintage FBI video going around from 1969.



The positions they trained people to shoot from were... vintage?

I can't believe they trained people to try to fire from the hip. You can't hit anything like that.

I guess tactics have changed quite a bit from the olden days.

After buying a 1911, I did some homework on the history of the pistol. Turns out before Jeff Cooper and Co. came along people just didn't know how to fight with a pistol. Single action guns were carried hammer down , to be cocked on the draw. Double action revolvers were the typical police fare, except practice wasn't exactly encouraged. There was a shooting in California where the bad guys tagged 4 officers with no hits by the good guys.

A lot of good men and women are alive today thanks to Jeff Cooper's pioneering work of pistol combat shooting. Today we take pistol training for granted, but 50 years ago the entire art didn't exist.

[five.five-six]

You should always try and learn from the pros

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[9mmepiphany]

Turns out before Jeff Cooper and Co. came along people just didn't know how to fight with a pistol.

...Today we take pistol training for granted, but 50 years ago the entire art didn't exist.

You might want to look further.

Good places to start are:
1. Sykes and Fairbairn training of the Shanghai Police - Shooting to Live with the One-Hand Gun
2. Jordan (No Second Place Winner), Askins (Unrepepent Sinner) and Skelton (numerous magazine articles) of the US Border Patrol

These men were real Gunfighters. who learned and proved their skills in life and death gun battles