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Omg.... One right here in SoCal...
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Omg.... One right here in SoCal...
I'd rather be at the range!
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If I recall correctly, the seller is a member here.ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page
Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good! -
Would be cool to own, but 55k. If i won the lottery I would buy this in a heartbeat.Terminal Lance
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Very neat (and VERY early) pistola!!Comment
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thats cool but what makes it not a NFA SBR, age ?Originally posted by Ronald ReaganComment
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that is an amazing piece of history, and one of the better condition ones that I've seen. for those curious, a bit of background on the borchardt. It is one of the earliest semi-automatic pistols that was put into commercial production and saw limited success. It pre-dates guns such as the Mauser "Broomhandle" C96, luger, Colt 1903s, etc.
The inventor, Hugo Borchardt got his inspiration from the Maxim machine gun. The Maxim was one of the first to utilize a toggle link desgin. You can compare it to the knee - when locked straight it is very strong, but once unlocked it can easily bend upwards. Borchardt used the toggle link to lock and seal the chamber, and when unlocked open the chamber for ejection of the spent shell.
Georg Luger, in fact, was an early salesman for the Borchardt pistol. When the company they both worked for (DWM) asked Borchardt to redesign the pistol to be more ergonomic, he refused. Luger took the challenge and used the toggle link design in the now famous Luger. We all know the Luger went on and saw much commerical and military success. Borchardt and Luger became bitter enemies.
It's not a NFA SBR because the the ATF specifically exempts a number of C&R pistols from SBR as long as the stock is original. Among the exempted pistols are Lugers, Hi Powers, and other pistols of that era. Unfortunately California AW laws still apply so might be illegal to attach the stock in CA.
$55K is not unreasonable for that one, I've seen similar ones sell for that range. A very nice example indeed!Comment
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Cool. Now I know more about these. Thanks beetle. It is very cool indeed. I ran into one at the phoenix investment firearms. and it was so cool. Im sure 55k isnt unreasonable and it will also sell too.
Something exceptional as this can only be owned by the riches. I need to get rich fast!I'd rather be at the range!
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I would like to know if it is "legal" for it to have the stock attached as well. I was told No, that it makes it illegal and a SBR (AW) under CA law because CA AW law has no C&R exempt portion to it.
That is what I was told about my Broom-handle Mauser at least.Comment
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Such a rarity, I didn't expect to see one in a common auctionhouse like gunbroker. I'd have expected it to make the rounds in some collector circles.Originally posted by greasemonkeyComment
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From the pictures, a stunning and well kept example for sure. WOW."Just leave me alone, I know what to do." - Kimi Raikkonen
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It is not a SBR because BATFE removed it from the NFA as a collector's item.
ATF Firearms Curio & Relics List, ATF publication 5300.11, 12-2007; page 44...
Borchardt, model 1893, cal. 7.63mm pistol with accompanying shoulder stock.
It is CA legal to have a Borchardt Model 1893 with shoulder stock attached.
The reason being is the Boarchardt Model 1893 has been removed from the NFA as a SBR and has been removed from the GCA as an antique.
Because it is Federally exempt from being a SBR, it is also exempt from being a SBR under CA laws. [PC 17705(a)]
Because it is Federally classified as an antique, it is exempt from CA's assault weapons laws. [PC 30515(c)(1)]
In contrast...
The Mauser C96 has been removed from the NFA as a SBR and is classified as a C&R.
Like the Borchardt, it is exempt from being a SBR under CA laws.
Unlike the Borchardt, it is not exempt from CA's assault weapons laws due to being a C&R and not an antique.
Penal Code 17705
(a) The provisions listed in Section 16590 do not apply to any firearm or ammunition that is a curio or relic as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations and that is in the possession of a person permitted to possess the items under Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
Penal Code 30515
(c) "Assault weapon" does not include either of the following:
(1) Any antique firearm.sigpic
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).Comment
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Quiet, excellent information re: antique and AW laws. thank you very much!
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Very cool, and pretty damn rare being complete like that. But he's probably not going to get that on Gunbroker. If I won the lottery, I would probably buy the thing just to say I have it.Comment
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If I was rich it would be mine. I love the way those look. Looks to be in very nice condition.Stupid people; They're breeding.
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