KRISS Bug!!!

[Capybara]

My local range has the Kriss. While I appreciate the look and technology, it's that same old story, you are buying a sub-machine gun that has been turned into semi-auto, (if a carbine) fitted with a stupid 16" barrel, restricted ten round mags and a bullet button or you have to go featureless and lose that pistol grip.

The pistol version of the Vector is even less practical, that gun is pretty large and heavy to hold up to your eye line to try to fire steady.

I think as a full auto sub machine gun with a folding stock, amazing. As a Cali neutered toy, I talked myself out of one six months ago, it just doesn't make much sense here. Kind of like my Uzi carbine, except that my Uzi carbine costs less than half as much so it makes a little more sense. But if I look at it subjectively, even my Uzi isn't very practical, this Kriss, even less so.

[Quiet]

Thats pretty sweet. Hefty price though haha.

Actually, that's a very good price. Since, MSRP for a KRISS SDP pistol is $1895 and last time I was in Las Vegas, gunstores there had it for $1799.99.

[nightwolf0215]

Its the best price so far. But still a pretty hefty tag for a gun. I will probably get that if I want one. Let me calculate my MPG and see if 100 saving is a good thing. Ammo Bros has one for 1799 and its much closer .

Either way, I gotta focus and stop buying so many guns lol.

[Write Winger]

So... what's is there anything between the grip hole and the mag well? Not familiar with the Kriss.

[Dreaded Claymore]

So... what's is there anything between the grip hole and the mag well? Not familiar with the Kriss.

The bolt.

When the gun fires, the bolt starts to move backwards, then rotates and travels downwards. It's quite a unique action.

The downside is a very short barrel compared to some submachine guns.

Check out the diagrams on The Firearm Blog here.

[chozenfew805]

Another item for the wishlist

[Shapes And Colors]

I'll be the odd man out here and say that I've shot the carbine pretty extensively and I don't care for them. The recoil management wasn't nearly as good as I thought it would be, the trigger was very disappointing, and it just wasn't fun to me. My opinion, of course.

[Capybara]

I agree Shapes, I really want to like the high technology design and I give them huge props for taking a chance and making something truly new. I agree on the recoil impulse, decent, but not as good as the design would lead you to believe.

I think that at their prices, for the consumer market, they are just going to be a boutique player. I wonder how they do with LE and Military sales? They seem really innovative, I hope that they succeed in the market, we need stuff besides ARs and AKs and FNH needs the competition for the PS90.

[nightwolf0215]

Thats what I felt like with the 45 carbine, but I could be wrong. It is still cool to have until you are bored with it and want it gone hahaha.

[Shapes And Colors]

I agree Shapes, I really want to like the high technology design and I give them huge props for taking a chance and making something truly new. I agree on the recoil impulse, decent, but not as good as the design would lead you to believe.

I think that at their prices, for the consumer market, they are just going to be a boutique player. I wonder how they do with LE and Military sales? They seem really innovative, I hope that they succeed in the market, we need stuff besides ARs and AKs and FNH needs the competition for the PS90.

Entirely in agreement. I'm all for companies doing something new and innovative, it's something we definitely need in the market today rather than 50 new manufacturers of the exact same AR upper that's been done for decades. It's a neat design idea and definitely innovative, but they're quite cost prohibitive for what they are. I hope that in a few years that they've refined it and made it more available as a viable market alternative.

[nightwolf0215]

Entirely in agreement. I'm all for companies doing something new and innovative, it's something we definitely need in the market today rather than 50 new manufacturers of the exact same AR upper that's been done for decades. It's a neat design idea and definitely innovative, but they're quite cost prohibitive for what they are. I hope that in a few years that they've refined it and made it more available as a viable market alternative.

Trying new things out is what I am here for.

As for the cost, I think it would not go down for a while. They hold the patents and probably will not mass produce it. Keeping cost high is their commercial tactics, which try to push the gun as an exotic piece. They succeeded in that as their gun is priced high and is still very scarce compared to many other piece.

As far as performance goes, I have seen videos that compared the muzzle rise for the KRISS compared to the HK USC. The KRISS has significantly less muzzle rise. I have only know 4 rifles that shoots .45 acp so far. I have not shot the HK USC. but from my research, it does have less muzzle rise. That difference might not be discernable in semi auto.

Also I am thinking of the fact that the KRISS SMG is built balanced. The CRB with long barrel that creates more momentum when bullet is fired is much less balanced in term of energy compared to the SMG. I am not entirely confident on this theory as the KRISS is supposedly good with a suppressor as well.

So far in term of controllability, the KRISS kicks harder than the MP5K that I own. So in CQB situation I imagine the KRISS SMG to be harder to handle than the MP5. KRISS does have more knockdown power with the .45acp rounds though.

[Shapes And Colors]

Trying new things out is what I am here for.

As for the cost, I think it would not go down for a while. They hold the patents and probably will not mass produce it. Keeping cost high is their commercial tactics, which try to push the gun as an exotic piece. They succeeded in that as their gun is priced high and is still very scarce compared to many other piece.

As far as performance goes, I have seen videos that compared the muzzle rise for the KRISS compared to the HK USC. The KRISS has significantly less muzzle rise. I have only know 4 rifles that shoots .45 acp so far. I have not shot the HK USC. but from my research, it does have less muzzle rise. That difference might not be discernable in semi auto.

Also I am thinking of the fact that the KRISS SMG is built balanced. The CRB with long barrel that creates more momentum when bullet is fired is much less balanced in term of energy compared to the SMG. I am not entirely confident on this theory as the KRISS is supposedly good with a suppressor as well.

So far in term of controllability, the KRISS kicks harder than the MP5K that I own. So in CQB situation I imagine the KRISS SMG to be harder to handle than the MP5. KRISS does have more knockdown power with the .45acp rounds though.

Of course, I have no issue with people wanting them. Just saying it wasn't my personal favorite. One thing about the recoil, the muzzle rise is in fact minimal, but the impulse of the gun itself is decently sharp. I found that the more I shot it, the more I realized that it doesn't rise, but it does twist. If I didn't have a very firm grip on it, the rearward shock would cause the gun to rotate on its barrel axis and I would have to correct a sizable amount of windage for the next shot. Just my experience though.

[trojanwar2]

I also have the carbine version, but after seeing the movie Resident Evil: Retribution 3D, I want one so BADDD.

[DuneShoot]

I am seriously on the fence about buying the carbine version. I have a few guns forsale and may buy one if they sell. It's a 'cool looking' gun and seems it would be fun to shoot. Plus I could use it at indoor ranges which is where I go more often than outdoors due to convenience. My main concern is the trigger. From what I've read it's a long pull and usually in the 8-10 pound range. I haven't found much info on doing a trigger job other than minor polishing and removing one of the springs. Even that seems to only remove a pound or 2.
For the ones that have them, how is the trigger? Does it get better after X number of rounds? I've been spoiled by crisp, light 1911 triggers.

[Capybara]

I wonder if Bill Springfield has done a Kriss trigger? He did my Uzi and it was a huge improvement. http://www.triggerwork.net/